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Afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the closed session

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of the Stockton City Council.
Today is November 16th.

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20, 21.
City Clerk, Please take row.

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Councilmember Walmsley.

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Present.
Councilmember Canavan.

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You're. Councilmember Joe Brat.

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Councilmember Lind is absent.

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It's on the line.
Councilmember Wright is present.

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Vice Mayor Fugazi. Present.

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Mayor Lincoln. Present. Thank you.

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We have a quorum. Thank you.

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And two additions to the closed session agenda.

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There are no additions to a closed session today.

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Item three announcements of closed session.
3.1 conference with legal counsel.

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Existing litigation.
This closed session is authorized pursuant

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to section 549569 A of the government code.

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3.2 conference with labor negotiators.

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This closed session is authorized
pursuant to Section 54957.6 a of the government code.

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I am 3.3 public employee performance evaluation.

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This closed session is authorized pursuant

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to Government Code.
Section 5419573.4.

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Conference with Legal Counsel Potential Litigation.

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This closed session is authorized
pursuant to Government Code.

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Section 54956.9 b an item for public comment support.

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Do we have any comments
from members of the public this evening?

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We have no comments for closed session, Mayor.
Okay. Thank you.

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His body's now
adjourned to closed session in the round room

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Good evening, everyone, and welcome
to the regular session of Stockton City Council.

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Today is November 16th. 20, 21.

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City Clerk Please take row.
Councilmember Walmsley.

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Present.
Councilmember Cannabis.

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Councilmember Joe Beck. Present.
Councilmember Lenz. Is a.

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Councilmember, right? Present.
Vice Mayor Fugazi. Present.

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Mayor Lincoln. Present. We have a quorum.

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Thank you.
At this time, I'd like to ask
Councilmember Wright to lead us in the facts that.

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We stand

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to pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America and to the Republic

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for which it was a advanced one nation, under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.
Agenda Item eight.
Reports of actions taken in closed session.

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City Attorney Do we have any reportable actions this evening?

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Nothing this evening. Thank you.

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There are no additions to tonight's agenda.

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Recognitions and announcements.
Every report. City Clerk.

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Do we have any recognitions or announcements this evening?

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We do.
Mayor thank you.

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A certificate of recognition is hereby

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presented to the United States Marine Corps

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in celebration of 246 years of great faithfulness.

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Contribution and service to our country.

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Thank you for your valor, sacrifice and commitment.

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Semper Fi.
Presented on behalf of the Stockton City Council

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on this 16th day of November 2021

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the proclamation

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whereas Stockton recognizes that registered apprenticeship

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is a proven, industry driven training model which provides

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a critical pipeline that expands
opportunities to develop, grow and retain skilled workforce.

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Now, therefore,
I have and Jay Lincoln, the second

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mayor of the city of Stockton and members of the Stockton

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City Council, do hereby proclaim the week of November 15th

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through 21st 2021 as National Apprenticeship

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Week in witness whereof on this 16th day of November 2021

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the proclamation.
Whereas working together we can prevent situations

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that compel the youth to run away
by providing services to families

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that address abuse and trauma, promote positive

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parenting for youth, and help families

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learn healthy skills to improve family dynamics.

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Now, therefore, I Kevin Jay Lincoln, the second

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mayor of the city of Stockton and members of the Stockton

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City Council, do hereby proclaim November 2021

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as Homeless Youth Awareness Month.

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Together, we can help prevent youth from running away

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through runaway education, trauma training,

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resiliency, building mentorship and guidance,

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helping to navigate and assess the resources

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and services available that will provide safety

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and security
as they learn to make safe, healthy and productive choices.

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In witness whereof on this 16th day of November

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20, 21

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and Proclamation,
97% of small business

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Saturday shoppers recognize the impact

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they can make by shopping small and local,

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and 85% of them also encourage friends and family to do so.

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Now, therefore, I Kevin J.
Lincoln the second mayor of the city of Stockton

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and members of the Stockton City Council do hereby proclaim

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the week of November 27th, 2021 and Small Business Saturday

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we encourage the residents of our community and communities

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across the country to support small businesses and merchants

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on small business Saturday and throughout the year.

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In witness whereof on this 16th day

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of November 2021

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that concludes their proclamations.

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Excellent. Thank you.
Genome 11 public comments.

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The City of Stockton invites public participation

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Announcements and invitations.

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You may comment on any subject within the jurisdiction

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You are limited to 13 minute comment opportunity.

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The City Clerk will notify you
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This is not a time for discussion
with the Council regarding subjects

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not on the agenda for this meeting.
As the Brown Act limits such discussions, comments

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made by members of the public
during this item may not reflect the viewpoint

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of the members of the Council.
We ask that you maintain the rules of decorum as outlined

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in City Council Meeting Decorum Policy
Title for chapter 4.03 Paragraph two,

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which reads Persons addressing
the Council shall not make personal,

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impertinent, unduly repetitive, slanderous or profane remarks

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to the Council.
Any member of the Council, city staff

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or the general public, nor other loud, threatening, personal

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or abusive language, nor engage in any other conduct

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that disrupts, disturbs or otherwise

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unreasonably impedes
the orderly conduct of the Council meeting.

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Any person who makes such remarks who utters loud,

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threatening, personal or abusive language,

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who is unduly repetitious,

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or engages in extended discussions of irrelevancies,

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or who engages in disorderly conduct that disrupts, disturbs

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or otherwise unreasonably impedes the orderly conduct

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of any council meeting, shall,
at the discretion of the presiding officer

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or a majority of the Council be barred from further audience

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before the Council during that meeting.

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In short, we do not allow personal attacks.

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Therefore, please be respectful of these chambers.

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Of all who sit here and of the viewing audience.

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Clerk Do we have any comments from members of the public

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for content items or items not listed on the agenda?

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We do. Mayor. Thank you.
Our first speaker is Mr.

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Kathleen Gibson.

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Good evening.
Mayor, Council and city staff.

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My understanding is the opposite.
The city attorney

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provides legal services and advice to the city council

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and Bishop Boyd's commissions and departments regarding legal

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and regulatory matters of concern to the city.

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I am paying attention and our city.

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Attorney.
Has little or no direction in many manners matters.

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Who wants an attorney that's always afraid of getting sued?

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Stockton gets sued, planning and loses routinely.

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I see in many.
Commissions other city attorneys will give a pro.

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And con opinion and include requirements.

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To consider with the final recommendation

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Our city attorney will get one argument

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that supports his opinion and brushes over any

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that commissioners, et cetera, may have

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a city attorney,
a newbie, is paid a minimum of $42 an hour.

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Our city attorney makes far beyond that. Yet

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he seems to express the power of litigation at every turn.

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The commission's making recommendations to city council.

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Cannot act in Stockton's best interest if they are not given.

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Full and complete information to do so.

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Please ask City Attorney to do his job.

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Our commissions,
although volunteering, are atrocious and attended.

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Many times unable to make quorum.

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If books cannot.
Attend then enforce attendance. Rules and.

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Replace them.
In the past week,

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two books have been killed on my elder brother.

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In Cleveland and California. N.Y.

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and yet streets, no lights, no crosswalks.

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Excessive speeding, hitting runs.

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And Mr.
Joe Beck don't feel disheartened by the people thinking

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you don't care about homeless.
Most elected known may only attend

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an event parties with pomp and pleasure.

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We stop when you dress up and smile.

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You never see them
clean out or out on their own time to see what's going on.

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So expect negative, but much of the enlightened public. OK,

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we don't see you out we think you're not doing nothing.

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OK, never mind.

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That's it. Thank you very much.

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Thank you.
Steven Costa.

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OK, forget this
dango a little bit so I can speak.

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Good evening.
And Mr.

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Mayor, council people.

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My name is Steven Koster, and I'm here
representing the Pixie Woods Board of directors.

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Not knowing the procedure, there's 12 of us here tonight.

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I was I asked for and received a show of unity

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to show the passion that we have for our city park.

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I wish
they could all be here to back me up,
but they're downstairs in spirit,

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so I'm not here to demand anything at all.

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I'm here to to make a plea

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You know, Stockton has so little anymore.
We've lost so.

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Much.
For our children.

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The theaters, the water
parks, the bowling alleys, it goes on and on and on.

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But what we do have is a park

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with a lot of potential, and that's Pixie Woods.

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And it provides revenue.

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Families come and pay and.
And the park makes money for the city.

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As comparison, you can look at Sacramento's fairy tale park.

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You can look at Oakland's fairy land park.

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Those are examples of what children deserve

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Our park is a jewel.
It's the jewel of Stockton for those that haven't been there.

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I recommend you go.

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And for some children in this park,

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it's probably the only
version of a Disneyland they're ever going to encounter.

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And we owe it to our children
to let them have something like that.

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So. So why I'm here is that since
the inception of our board, we've donated over

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$1,000,000 towards the park maintenance.

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Special events, upgrades, paint,

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planting, flowers, you name it.
It's a very hardworking, very passionate board.

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We're looking for some help.

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In the last nine years
alone, we've contributed almost $500,000.

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And of late, I think Mr.
Lincoln has seen it, too.

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The Galaxy Quest playground installation has been a nice,

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nice jewel added to the crown of Pixie Woods.

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You know, when these families come to our park,
they pay an entry fee It's not a lot of money,

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but they do pay versus the city parks

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that have that seem to be netting funds.

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And ours is a revenue maker, like I said,

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they deserve a
train, a boat and a carousel ride.

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Our last event
before the park closed for the year was a Halloween event.

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And families were lined up at the train the boats,

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the carousel.
They're in disrepair and they're not operable.

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They're not safe.
Would you like some help with that?

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This this park, this.
This grand old dame.

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You know, she doesn't need a facelift.
We do that.

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She needs a transplant.
And that's why I'm here pleading for help.

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I know there's funds available.
I think that we can funnel towards this park.

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So I'd like to ask you once again to consider

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that you know, the children of this town are our future.

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This park is a big part of that
for young kids, especially those just moving to town.

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And I think they deserve a beautiful
and a safe place to play.

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And they need functional rides.

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So that's it.
I think I made it 3 minutes.

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Thank you very much.
For your time.

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Thank you.
Belinda Sanchez.

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Good evening, Mr.
Mayor. US council members and staff.

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I apologize.
As I have never spoken to you before, so I'm coming.

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Literally at the last minute.
I'm part of the Pixie. Woods board as well.

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There are several of us here this evening and
I was not intending to speak, but I'm going to follow behind.

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What was said.
Previously.

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So Pixie Woods, I understand I reviewed a little bit

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of what you guys have on the agenda.
For today is.

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Going to hopefully be receiving some. Funds.

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Now, those are very, very appreciated.

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I hope that's on the agenda.
I look forward to seeing that a little bit.

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Later on this evening.
But I'm also here as a parent and as a child who.

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Attended Pixie Woods as a child, had my birthday parties there.

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My children grew up in that park.

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As many of.
You who probably have lived here in. Stockton have.

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Experienced that park as.
Well. I'm new to the board, so I've come on with a.

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Fresh set of eyes.
And what my eyes see is the unfortunate,

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the fortunate.
Deferred maintenance of something that should have been

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taken care of for quite some time.
And I know that there are many people.

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Who work very, very hard for that to happen.

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I've seen the time.
The effort that has been. Put in.

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So I'm just asking you that along with the money

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that is being locked into the park, if you'll.

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Consider deferred maintenance what's.

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Needed in that realm and sustain maintenance for not just now

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so that the ten years from now, my, my.

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22 year old has a.
Child, he's also able to take that child to see Pixie Woods.

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And not see it in the state that.
I've seen it in recently as we spoke earlier.

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The train as a major.

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A major attraction. The different

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there's three major attractions there.
And right now they're all in disrepair.

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So it's not just

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the funds that are here now, but also something sustainable.

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So we don't have to have so much deferred maintenance.

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A process is possibly more streamlined.
For us to come to the.

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City and say, these are the. Items we need.

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How do we get these things done?
Because when you're talking about in a child's time

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when these things are broken and they're not working, if I.

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Have a three or four.
Year old who's looking forward to riding the train

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and we go two, three, four, five weeks in a row and that.

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Train is still in disrepair.
Or broken,

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that's a little bit of a magic that's no longer there anymore.

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So I'm asking the council to please listen to the.

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People who came before me, and there will be. Some more.

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After me as well, and just.
Ask them to look at Pixie Woods for. What it is.

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It's something that, once it's lost, will never be.

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Regained in the same way it is now.

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So we need to hold onto what we can.

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We ask the Council to.
Please consider not just.

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What we're going to get now, but
something for us down the road to make sure that this park.

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Stays in the condition it needs.
To for future. Generations.

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And that's all I have.
Thank you so much.

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Thank you,
Gunter.

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Colonel

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Living the city council.

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My name is Contactable Oops.

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I have time to fix the board of directors in.

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1974.
1974 of course I was in kindergarten at that time,

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but progress.
47 years I've seen Pixar, which in its glory

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and in its disrepair and in this glory was been

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able to offer us the Park Recreation Director.

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Right now I'm afraid to say that Pixar, which is treated

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like a stepchild, an unwanted stepchild

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at the Halloween party island, was.

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Brought before.

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The board was not operating,

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the tree was not
operating, the little carousel was not operating.

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The big carousel had repair issues.

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This is the this was the time and try to.

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Get to come out with a Halloween party

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with parents and grandparents and the work gets around

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about the defects that the city endures.

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It's not a good reputation for the city.

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And this has and this has been the pattern
for most of the year off and on that

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some of the major features, like the trade and the boats

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were not operating

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which was for the children to get away from the computer to

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to get some fresh air, to do the physical exercise

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but the park is now 65 years old

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and many features are deteriorating.

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Many features need to be replaced

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and the reason
recent Parks and Recreation

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Commission meeting was part of that

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16 parks received money
from the city to do repair work.

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But Pixar was didn't get any.

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And I just wonder why not

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perhaps to.
City administration things so we have a board of directors.

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That can take care of it raise their funds.
Well this is not how it should be.

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I don't buy a link and this is a picture which

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vice mayor for is picture was gave a great donation

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which we appreciate very much members of the

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of the city council pictured a picture with.

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Which is great we appreciate.
All this
but there needs to be more we're asking the city council

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and the mayor to impress on the city administration.

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To. Devote resources to paint that

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picture.
It's back to its glory it is.

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It's necessary.
It's a jewel.
That's the part before

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and when the budget hearing comes about.

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The board would like the request to be included.

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Send some representatives
for the budget hearings that are coming about.

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We have a long list to proceed.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.
Mary Panini.

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Well, I'm hearing it. It.

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Hi, I'm Mary Panini.
I'm President of the Pixie Woods Board of directors.

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And you're probably tired of hearing but from us already.

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Well, we can't.
Impress upon you how much this.

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Park means to our board as you can see,

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there's like 11 of us here of my board tonight

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to ask you to please give us more consideration.

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I know.
Christine and Paul have been very generous

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in their donations. And.

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We need to continue.
And even though this pandemic

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era, I guess that we're going through.

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It's really sad that.

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We've had to put off.
Our annual.

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Fundraiser for two years now, and hopefully we're going to

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be able to do it coming next June.

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So we want the park to be in tip top shape.

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But most of all, we want it in tip top shape for our kids.

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And it needs made.
You know, the park is 67 years old.

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And it's old and it.
Needs just like us, we need parks replaced

00:23:10.307 --> 00:23:12.347
and things like that.
So I'd ask you to consider and budget

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more time and money and special.

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Staff and communications between your two departments.

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Public works and. City staff.
It seems like

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there's a breakdown there that they put in work.

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Orders and they say they don't get them and that kind of.

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Thing goes. On and so and it doesn't get.

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Anything done.
So I hope that the council. Will.

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Consider that

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they can look.
At how staff runs the park.

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And if they can

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be more considerate in extending.

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More funds. For us.
We really would appreciate it.

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We want to keep our park going.
OK, thank you very much.

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Thank you.
So cheap is

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good evening.
My name is so producers and I'm here

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as both a representative
of your commission but also as a representative

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from the public in general.
I'm here recognizing the time limits and I like to ask bluntly

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that one of you as a council member asked that the chair map

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actually be pulled from your agenda
before the December 7th meeting and that you ask

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for your commission and you as council members

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to either meet on a Saturday
or over the Thanksgiving week to reevaluate a better map.

00:24:43.269 --> 00:24:45.269
Unfortunately, I would have to I'd have to say

00:24:46.469 --> 00:24:48.469
that your city manager and your city attorney did not

00:24:49.829 --> 00:24:51.829
protect you or us as city

00:24:53.749 --> 00:24:56.629
city representatives.
Unfortunately, because this this tool map actually proposes

00:25:00.390 --> 00:25:02.390
one of the most politically gerrymandering maps

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that could have been proposed to you.

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It is diluting.
The political power

00:25:08.310 --> 00:25:10.310
of your minorities in a couple of your districts.

00:25:11.750 --> 00:25:14.750
It's actually
deliberately drawing in some political power lines

00:25:16.870 --> 00:25:18.870
it is deliberately
drawing in some lines for some political candidates.

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And it looks like the person drawing.

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Preferences for some political and financial gains

00:25:27.700 --> 00:25:29.700
and unfortunately, it's if it's obvious to me,

00:25:30.300 --> 00:25:32.300
if somebody were to sue the city.

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It's going to be obvious.
If anybody does a public information request

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and many of you have for sixties.
So I'd like that to.

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Be very, very, very clear.

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It is not drawn by the commission,

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which we know that we were on a very short constraint.

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So we we failed to meet that as well.

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But this to map

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being drawn not by the community at large.

00:25:57.311 --> 00:25:59.311
But by political representatives

00:25:59.431 --> 00:26:02.710
that have a political positioning
is not in the best interest of the city at all.

00:26:06.151 --> 00:26:08.151
These clear these lines clearly draw

00:26:08.511 --> 00:26:10.511
and paved the way for us to be in a federal lawsuit.

00:26:11.391 --> 00:26:13.391
And that can argue this just based on viewing the times,

00:26:15.911 --> 00:26:17.911
but just by doing some research itself.

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Unfortunately, we have some counties
and we have some other cities right now

00:26:22.191 --> 00:26:24.551
that are going through the same process
that are in limbo of being sued for some very clear

00:26:28.710 --> 00:26:30.671
issues that I'm identifying here.
But we are literally following that same guideline

00:26:32.911 --> 00:26:34.911
and we do not have to be. In that position.

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We are financially in a better place

00:26:37.431 --> 00:26:40.431
than we were over the last ten years
in the last thing that we need to do is open that door to

00:26:43.832 --> 00:26:45.832
to some horrific challenges moving forward.

00:26:47.792 --> 00:26:50.712
So I'm asking please I'm.
Asking any councilmember.

00:26:51.552 --> 00:26:53.552
To please have a voice ask that that.

00:26:55.512 --> 00:26:57.912
Map be pulled.
We have enough time.

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I know that everybody's got a job,
but I'm asking come in on the weekend.

00:27:02.752 --> 00:27:05.232
I'll put my time in,
but I'm sure that we can come up with a better map.

00:27:06.632 --> 00:27:08.632
You had a contractor work with us that gave us

00:27:09.432 --> 00:27:11.952
great resources.
Quality education to protect.

00:27:13.152 --> 00:27:15.152
You, and we did not use those resources.

00:27:16.352 --> 00:27:18.352
Thank you.

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Thank you.
Christine Donlon.

00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:28.512
Hi there.
My name is Christine Donlon.

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I was born and raised in Stockton

00:27:31.353 --> 00:27:33.353
and went to Europe and swam for Europe

00:27:33.553 --> 00:27:36.330
and graduated from Europe.
And I have been teaching

00:27:36.330 --> 00:27:38.330
swim lessons in the community for the last 20 years.

00:27:40.313 --> 00:27:42.513
I am here tonight.
Sorry, I'm here tonight to advocate for the pools.

00:27:45.753 --> 00:27:47.753
I know that that is probably not a huge issue.

00:27:49.953 --> 00:27:51.953
On everyone's agenda.

00:27:52.153 --> 00:27:54.993
But I'm also the president
of the San Joaquin Summer Swim Alliance, which involves 17

00:27:57.753 --> 00:27:59.753
summer swim teams in the Stockton community.

00:28:00.793 --> 00:28:02.793
Much of most of which are pools.

00:28:04.993 --> 00:28:06.993
But there is a huge need for the city pools

00:28:08.673 --> 00:28:10.673
and revamping those pools and fixing those pools

00:28:12.873 --> 00:28:14.873
and open them up to the. Community so that.

00:28:15.513 --> 00:28:17.513
They can use those pools.

00:28:17.793 --> 00:28:19.793
In whatever way that you guys see. Fit

00:28:22.434 --> 00:28:24.394
potentially, even in
a year round access way.

00:28:27.154 --> 00:28:29.154
A lot of families are leaving Stockton to access pools

00:28:31.554 --> 00:28:34.394
which is very hard because you only have
really two pools that are open in Stockton

00:28:37.114 --> 00:28:38.874
right now,
which is St Mary's High School, which is a private school.

00:28:40.794 --> 00:28:42.794
And Europe on a very limited basis.

00:28:43.714 --> 00:28:45.754
Delta Delta's not rent.
No one's opening their pools to rent, to use to anything.

00:28:48.954 --> 00:28:50.994
The districts aren't.
So it's been very difficult for kids that swim.

00:28:53.154 --> 00:28:55.154
It's a very safe way right now to exercise for many kids.

00:28:57.754 --> 00:28:59.754
So my idea was one of the ways was to expand.

00:29:01.914 --> 00:29:03.914
The footprint of the Oak Park pool, which is a great.

00:29:05.354 --> 00:29:07.754
Pool, just expand.
It a little wider,

00:29:09.740 --> 00:29:11.595
keep the splash pad.
And just move it more towards the west side of the complex.

00:29:15.995 --> 00:29:18.675
You have a great park there.
So expand the fencing, use all the natural trees

00:29:21.595 --> 00:29:23.595
and everything that you have there. For shade.

00:29:24.435 --> 00:29:26.435
And let the community. Use that pool.

00:29:27.350 --> 00:29:29.350
The fencing is all the way in, and I get that.

00:29:29.835 --> 00:29:31.835
It's security, it's safety, it's all of those issues.

00:29:32.155 --> 00:29:34.155
But really expanding the fencing.

00:29:34.475 --> 00:29:36.475
So that everyone can go and hang out the pool,

00:29:38.235 --> 00:29:40.235
potentially some seating for maybe something down the line.

00:29:43.195 --> 00:29:45.195
You know, we can borrow
seating from the fairgrounds very easily.

00:29:46.755 --> 00:29:48.755
I think the biggest issue would be putting in a heater.

00:29:50.675 --> 00:29:52.675
There's no city pools that have a heater

00:29:52.955 --> 00:29:54.955
and really limits what you can do

00:29:56.435 --> 00:29:58.435
the rest of the year around.

00:29:58.755 --> 00:30:00.755
The working pool

00:30:00.916 --> 00:30:02.916
is a great pool for swim lessons.

00:30:03.716 --> 00:30:05.716
It's pretty much all shallow, almost like a park.

00:30:06.396 --> 00:30:08.396
So for the most part stays warm year round.

00:30:11.360 --> 00:30:12.876
Obviously not
in the winter, wintertime like right now,

00:30:13.476 --> 00:30:15.476
when the temperatures drop, but it's a great pool

00:30:15.996 --> 00:30:18.316
to put a heater in.
So as Oak Park, you don't have, you know, huge depths.

00:30:22.556 --> 00:30:24.556
So is Holiday Park is another great pool that you guys have.

00:30:25.836 --> 00:30:27.836
So my just I'm begging you,

00:30:30.116 --> 00:30:32.716
put some money in towards the pools.
Thank you.

00:30:33.276 --> 00:30:35.196
Thank you.
Alyssa Leiva,

00:30:46.116 --> 00:30:48.556
Good evening, City Council.
My name is Elissa Leiva, also known as Commissioner

00:30:50.557 --> 00:30:52.557
Lava and the redistricting commission 20, 21.

00:30:53.877 --> 00:30:55.877
And I'm here to speak about

00:30:56.157 --> 00:30:58.157
I would like council and the mayor

00:30:58.957 --> 00:31:00.957
and the administration to vote against the Teal Map

00:31:01.597 --> 00:31:03.597
because I am calling Stockton constituents to know.

00:31:05.317 --> 00:31:07.317
About this political gerrymandering and voter

00:31:07.517 --> 00:31:10.517
suppression
throughout this commission process.

00:31:11.277 --> 00:31:13.277
They're not given enough resources

00:31:14.317 --> 00:31:16.317
in order for me to serve my district.

00:31:16.757 --> 00:31:18.677
My district,
sir, is District six, where we have

00:31:19.677 --> 00:31:22.637
some of the highest rates of poverty.
And the digital. Divide.

00:31:22.837 --> 00:31:25.717
The digital divide continues
to be a challenge in order for us to.

00:31:26.357 --> 00:31:28.357
Serve our underserved communities.

00:31:28.677 --> 00:31:30.677
And so we have a

00:31:32.317 --> 00:31:34.317
a communications officer under this administration.

00:31:34.837 --> 00:31:37.517
And I would like to see.
Every community representative in their language minimum on the

00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:42.380
website, because

00:31:42.718 --> 00:31:44.318
again, if.
We continue to neglect that, that is a form of racism.

00:31:47.398 --> 00:31:49.398
And yes, so I'm here to vote against the town map.

00:31:52.358 --> 00:31:55.358
I'm here to call a lack of outreach.
And I want an investment so that we can.

00:31:57.158 --> 00:31:59.158
Pay canvassers. To go into underrepresented.

00:31:59.558 --> 00:32:01.558
Neighborhoods and we.

00:32:03.358 --> 00:32:04.718
Yeah.
Thank you.

00:32:07.878 --> 00:32:09.438
Thank you.
Ralph White.

00:32:15.238 --> 00:32:17.238
Good evening.

00:32:18.158 --> 00:32:20.158
I am here this evening

00:32:20.678 --> 00:32:22.678
to ask you, each one of you sitting there,

00:32:23.358 --> 00:32:25.358
I appointed
somebody on the committee that we sit up here and serve

00:32:27.118 --> 00:32:29.798
each one of you in.
Your representative didn't change it then you should.

00:32:31.999 --> 00:32:34.639
And that's why you sent them there
to represent you in the district that they represent.

00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.839
You represent.
But you sent us up here every night in

00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.599
meeting is my understanding.
You go out and hire a consultant to write.

00:32:46.390 --> 00:32:48.390
So take it and change it.

00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:50.119
We did all that ourselves, along with the lady in the.

00:32:51.390 --> 00:32:53.519
People that was here.
So if you go sit up here now and you know the consultant well,

00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.799
some of y'all campaign chairman

00:32:58.679 --> 00:33:00.199
collected
money for you and ran your campaign and all that.

00:33:02.399 --> 00:33:04.399
That's like buying something on the council.

00:33:05.159 --> 00:33:07.159
It don't take too much money

00:33:07.679 --> 00:33:09.679
to see each and every one of you on this one.

00:33:10.199 --> 00:33:12.199
This is definitely if you vote on this

00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:14.759
and he was your campaign chairman,

00:33:15.790 --> 00:33:17.790
worked your campaign, you got a problem

00:33:17.239 --> 00:33:19.239
and you got three candidates in this race coming up now.

00:33:19.959 --> 00:33:22.760
So if you vote that knowing already
what we know in the public know, then you got a problem.

00:33:25.800 --> 00:33:26.480
You shouldn't
a member pointed us and that's just coming up here

00:33:28.560 --> 00:33:30.560
two or three different times or three or four different times

00:33:31.800 --> 00:33:33.800
to represent you and to represent the district.

00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:35.600
And then you go, Sultan, come in here this would look me up.

00:33:37.320 --> 00:33:39.720
Years ago,
not only have

00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.720
a two or $3 and I spend every damn penny,

00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.200
I got to make sure
that I don't get hit this time

00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:46.680
in the
make sure
that the people in this city don't get hit by a consultant.

00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.520
And then the consultant turned around
where these three candidates get them here

00:33:52.600 --> 00:33:54.600
and then help run the city like some of you candidates.

00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.880
Did he have sitting up there right now?
Do you know you are?

00:33:58.280 --> 00:34:00.280
I don't have to point out, but I can damn sure look at you.

00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.440
Don't do it.
I'll ask each one of you do not.

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.000
To waste our time and set it up.

00:34:07.560 --> 00:34:09.560
According to the law. Then you go in, hire

00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:11.760
a consultant, come in and redraw.

00:34:12.201 --> 00:34:14.201
To satisfy one or two you councilman's up here

00:34:15.481 --> 00:34:17.761
or maybe three of you.
So, Mr.

00:34:17.761 --> 00:34:20.401
Mayor and the rest of you,
if he was your campaign manager,

00:34:20.801 --> 00:34:23.681
you know what I'm talking about.
Then go down it.

00:34:24.161 --> 00:34:26.161
Do not vote on that one.

00:34:26.481 --> 00:34:28.481
Because you put yourself and your serious

00:34:30.410 --> 00:34:32.681
and knowledgeable
attorney you have

00:34:34.841 --> 00:34:37.810
tell you the truth because, hell, he's.
Trying to keep his job.

00:34:37.161 --> 00:34:39.161
If I made more money than the governor, I would do.

00:34:39.321 --> 00:34:41.321
I tell you which one of you and I wouldn't get involved.

00:34:42.161 --> 00:34:44.161
So, you know, think about it very carefully.

00:34:46.761 --> 00:34:48.761
Thank you, Jerome Clay.

00:34:58.761 --> 00:35:00.761
Grady

00:35:01.442 --> 00:35:04.442
good.
Even to the mayor city council.
My name is Jerome Clay.

00:35:05.420 --> 00:35:07.420
I was appointed on the redistricting committee

00:35:09.882 --> 00:35:11.882
I hear that, I guess is a change in the maps.

00:35:13.562 --> 00:35:15.562
We met and we voted on the Green Annex two.

00:35:17.362 --> 00:35:19.362
And then now it's my understanding

00:35:19.442 --> 00:35:21.442
that there's another map that was proposed.

00:35:22.482 --> 00:35:24.482
And so my question is why?

00:35:25.442 --> 00:35:27.442
Why now? Why appoint us.

00:35:28.200 --> 00:35:30.200
If there was already a map already in place?

00:35:32.322 --> 00:35:35.322
If we possibly have transparency,
then we need to answer the why. All right.

00:35:38.482 --> 00:35:40.482
Why did we go to this other map?

00:35:40.682 --> 00:35:42.762
We looked at that map.
We looked at several other maps, and we felt that it was in

00:35:44.882 --> 00:35:46.882
the best interest of Stockton to go with the Green Annex two.

00:35:49.562 --> 00:35:52.443
Yet now
all of a sudden it flip flopped.

00:35:53.603 --> 00:35:55.603
He changed. Why

00:35:57.243 --> 00:35:59.243
so I'm not going to be here long and berating anybody.

00:36:00.963 --> 00:36:02.963
But I just want to ask before you vote on the new map

00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:08.300
to answer that, why

00:36:09.363 --> 00:36:12.430
why did you appoint us?
Why the change?

00:36:13.123 --> 00:36:16.430
And if you can live with that
after you answer that, why

00:36:18.430 --> 00:36:20.603
then it's fine.
That's it.

00:36:20.603 --> 00:36:23.563
I just want to voice my concerns.
I'm busy. I know you guys are busy.

00:36:24.443 --> 00:36:26.443
And so I just took the time out of my day to come in

00:36:27.723 --> 00:36:29.723
voice my opposition.

00:36:29.803 --> 00:36:31.803
For that new map. Thank you.

00:36:33.723 --> 00:36:35.963
Thank you.
We have a comment from Miss Tonya

00:36:38.163 --> 00:36:40.163
Oswald on WebEx

00:36:49.924 --> 00:36:51.564
Hello.
Can you hear me? We can hear you.

00:36:53.524 --> 00:36:55.524
Hi. My name's Tony Scott, and I'm a parent

00:36:56.524 --> 00:36:58.524
of two small children in Stockton.

00:37:00.724 --> 00:37:03.644
I'm here for two reasons.
One is I would like to show my support

00:37:05.204 --> 00:37:07.204
for swimming and aquatics in Stockton.

00:37:09.844 --> 00:37:12.164
I would like to have a safe
place for them to play and be active.

00:37:15.604 --> 00:37:17.604
I believe that funds should be allocated

00:37:17.924 --> 00:37:19.924
to updating and repairing city pools,

00:37:21.764 --> 00:37:23.764
and the children need a safe place to go.

00:37:25.124 --> 00:37:27.124
And we have a long, hot summer months where they can spend

00:37:29.124 --> 00:37:31.124
lots of time safe and outside.

00:37:32.765 --> 00:37:34.765
A second reason I'm here

00:37:34.845 --> 00:37:36.845
is I also live by Swanson Park

00:37:37.565 --> 00:37:39.565
And like I said, I have two young daughters,

00:37:39.845 --> 00:37:41.845
and the current situation is the structure

00:37:43.925 --> 00:37:45.925
over there is deteriorating and it's unsafe

00:37:47.805 --> 00:37:49.805
It's also not accessible to children or

00:37:51.165 --> 00:37:53.165
people with disabilities. And

00:37:54.725 --> 00:37:56.725
and all children need a safe place to go.

00:37:58.565 --> 00:38:00.565
So and especially in this area, that's the neighborhood park.

00:38:02.765 --> 00:38:04.765
So I guess my question is, what is the process

00:38:05.605 --> 00:38:07.605
to get a new structure installed?

00:38:09.500 --> 00:38:11.500
And is there sitting funny city funding available.

00:38:13.405 --> 00:38:15.405
For that or do you have to raise it independently?

00:38:21.846 --> 00:38:24.366
Thank you.
Jenny Bonier, you have the floor.

00:38:27.166 --> 00:38:28.646
Thank you.
American Council members, all I'm citizens.

00:38:30.486 --> 00:38:32.486
I'm coming to Echo, Kristi, Dolman and Tonya.

00:38:34.406 --> 00:38:35.846
In addition
to Pixie Woods, our pools are one of

00:38:36.846 --> 00:38:38.846
our greatest assets here in Stockton.

00:38:39.166 --> 00:38:41.166
My voice is hoarse from coaching and teaching,

00:38:42.166 --> 00:38:44.166
and I wish I could paint a picture for you

00:38:44.286 --> 00:38:46.286
that I could share, but I can't just imagine the pool,

00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:50.860
the three year old child learning to swim,

00:38:50.606 --> 00:38:52.606
this 12 year old girl understanding sportsmanship,

00:38:53.286 --> 00:38:55.286
but she loses her first race.

00:38:55.446 --> 00:38:57.446
This 16 year old boy who finishes after 2 minutes

00:38:58.886 --> 00:39:00.886
and gets a round of applause from everyone around the pool.

00:39:01.846 --> 00:39:03.846
These are circumstances that build strong citizens.

00:39:04.806 --> 00:39:07.286
And so I'm here tonight
to encourage you are awesome leaders

00:39:08.286 --> 00:39:10.286
as you plan the budget for this city.

00:39:10.407 --> 00:39:12.407
Please allocate funds for the SS, GSA,

00:39:14.167 --> 00:39:16.167
the summer working summer swim association update our pools.

00:39:18.487 --> 00:39:20.487
We've seen Colonial Heights and Parklands pool

00:39:22.727 --> 00:39:25.607
go by the wayside because the neighborhoods
can afford to keep them all.

00:39:26.470 --> 00:39:28.470
We're working hard to keep Belmont and Holiday Park,

00:39:29.167 --> 00:39:31.167
Lincoln Village, North Lake Pools Open.

00:39:32.647 --> 00:39:34.567
Please, please.
City allocate funds to keep the pools you run open.

00:39:36.567 --> 00:39:38.567
Oak Park is such a valuable asset.

00:39:39.367 --> 00:39:41.367
Please allocate the funding and help our economy cycle.

00:39:43.447 --> 00:39:46.127
These are pools for all local.
If we put money into the lifeguards and the structure,

00:39:47.967 --> 00:39:50.887
then people will spend money to go there.
And all that money just stays in this city

00:39:52.700 --> 00:39:54.700
as we raise lifeguards and coaches and swimmers

00:39:55.470 --> 00:39:57.807
don't you for tolerating my coach's voice.
And thank you for being in our beautiful city on the

00:39:58.967 --> 00:40:00.967
Delta with swimming pools

00:40:02.728 --> 00:40:04.968
Thank you.
We have some written communication

00:40:05.968 --> 00:40:07.968
first from Miss Cynthia Gail Boyd.

00:40:09.328 --> 00:40:11.328
Every day, multiple chickens come into my yard.

00:40:11.728 --> 00:40:13.728
It is unhealthy and more of a nuisance.

00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.880
These chickens and roosters belong 2128 s in our street.

00:40:19.888 --> 00:40:21.888
They are the same people that made false police reports

00:40:22.528 --> 00:40:24.528
and secured a bogus restraining order against me.

00:40:25.368 --> 00:40:27.368
Yet I have to endure more of their filthy lifestyle,

00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.800
endangering my health and well-being.

00:40:30.128 --> 00:40:32.128
Code enforcement issued a citation for a 30 day

00:40:32.848 --> 00:40:34.848
time period to remove them to ridiculous.

00:40:36.128 --> 00:40:38.128
They should have been made to cage them immediately.

00:40:38.688 --> 00:40:40.688
No matter what, I have to be careful where I step.

00:40:42.208 --> 00:40:45.168
Chicken crap is everywhere in front of my yard
and alongside my home on walkways.

00:40:46.528 --> 00:40:48.528
They travel through our second property and do the same thing.

00:40:50.969 --> 00:40:52.969
There should be a restriction on family owning

00:40:54.329 --> 00:40:56.889
any more chickens.
They will just eat these and get new ones after the 30 days.

00:40:59.249 --> 00:41:01.249
It took a lot for I did

00:41:02.369 --> 00:41:04.569
to identify the owners.
I don't want to keep playing these games.

00:41:05.409 --> 00:41:07.409
The City Council did not think through the consequences

00:41:07.889 --> 00:41:09.889
of granting this ownership privilege, privilege

00:41:11.689 --> 00:41:14.369
The abuse started immediately.
I beg you to update

00:41:14.449 --> 00:41:16.449
the public again, but you have failed to do so as expected.

00:41:18.209 --> 00:41:20.209
How can you stop this ridiculous situation

00:41:23.129 --> 00:41:25.129
from Allyson Aranda?

00:41:25.249 --> 00:41:28.249
Hello.
I'm writing to voice my opposition
to the till map and the process that led to its consideration

00:41:30.569 --> 00:41:32.569
This map was not approved by the redistricting committee

00:41:32.969 --> 00:41:34.969
and it was not made available to the public.

00:41:35.169 --> 00:41:37.169
Redistricting should be transparent and nonpartisan.

00:41:41.170 --> 00:41:43.170
Katya, even her rates their city council leaders.

00:41:44.370 --> 00:41:45.970
In regards
to the $59 million of funding being considered today,

00:41:48.250 --> 00:41:50.250
I am reminded of the story of the mystery of the miser

00:41:51.930 --> 00:41:53.930
whose roof caves, whose roof caved in

00:41:56.290 --> 00:41:58.290
because he or she decided it was too expensive to repair.

00:42:01.900 --> 00:42:03.900
With $59 million in funds, I recommend the following.

00:42:04.890 --> 00:42:06.890
Replace city's trees that have fallen down, thereby

00:42:08.890 --> 00:42:10.890
contributing to a needed canopy,

00:42:11.130 --> 00:42:13.130
especially as temperatures in Stockton continue to climb.

00:42:14.730 --> 00:42:16.730
Repair sidewalks as needed in the 21st

00:42:16.970 --> 00:42:18.970
century systems instead of just hacking in whacking trees.

00:42:21.500 --> 00:42:23.500
See the City of Davis

00:42:23.610 --> 00:42:25.610
Tree Department for ideas.

00:42:26.130 --> 00:42:28.130
See and take care of the storm drains in the residential areas.

00:42:29.850 --> 00:42:31.850
They're clogged and need to be cleared before the next storm.

00:42:33.211 --> 00:42:35.211
Begin a maintenance program where city trees are kept pruned

00:42:36.510 --> 00:42:38.510
and healthy, thereby cutting the need to chop them down.

00:42:39.451 --> 00:42:41.451
Reinstate the parks department where local in the game

00:42:42.931 --> 00:42:44.931
employees work to take care

00:42:45.291 --> 00:42:47.291
of and manage the beautiful parks in Stockton.

00:42:48.971 --> 00:42:50.971
The ghost of foreclosure past needs to go.

00:42:51.931 --> 00:42:53.931
It is not helpful, nor in the city's

00:42:54.371 --> 00:42:56.371
interest to be stuck in this miserably.

00:42:56.491 --> 00:42:59.331
Time worked
I speak as one resident,

00:43:00.910 --> 00:43:02.910
but I speak for many residents who are unhappy

00:43:02.731 --> 00:43:04.731
with the current state of affairs in this city.

00:43:05.131 --> 00:43:08.131
Stockton deserves to be a great city.
Mediocrity is not a game plan,

00:43:10.891 --> 00:43:13.611
Lydia Roddy writes.
To whom it may concern.

00:43:14.451 --> 00:43:17.451
Thank you for the opportunity
to lend my voice
to concerns that our neighbors have around Pershing.

00:43:20.520 --> 00:43:22.732
I happen to live on Picardie Drive,
which is right across the street from Victory Park.

00:43:24.452 --> 00:43:26.772
Stockton has such a gift
in our local parks, especially Victory Park,

00:43:28.520 --> 00:43:30.520
which houses the beautiful Hagon Museum.

00:43:30.812 --> 00:43:33.492
The park is one of the most
well used parks I have ever encountered.

00:43:35.852 --> 00:43:37.812
I have known this park
since I was a child, and I remember

00:43:38.332 --> 00:43:40.332
crossing the street, going to the swimming pool

00:43:40.652 --> 00:43:42.652
when I used to visit my grandmother back in the 1960s.

00:43:44.612 --> 00:43:46.612
Victory Park was a wonderful park for community

00:43:48.212 --> 00:43:50.212
and still is.

00:43:50.292 --> 00:43:52.292
But back in the 1960s, there were not as many people

00:43:53.452 --> 00:43:56.520
who lived in Stockton,
and we didn't have the amount of cars that we do today.

00:43:58.372 --> 00:44:00.372
We also did not have access to

00:44:00.692 --> 00:44:02.692
or from I-5 from Pershing Avenue back then.

00:44:04.612 --> 00:44:06.612
That access has created a real thoroughfare here

00:44:07.120 --> 00:44:09.120
on Pershing Avenue
and car speed down that road, making it unfriendly

00:44:11.133 --> 00:44:13.573
to the pedestrians.
I would love to see a rotary circle at the corner of Aragon

00:44:16.133 --> 00:44:18.133
and Pershing It would tremendously slow traffic down,

00:44:20.130 --> 00:44:22.130
and if there was a nice crosswalk

00:44:23.930 --> 00:44:25.930
that would help pedestrians from the east side of the street

00:44:25.813 --> 00:44:27.813
get to the park

00:44:28.493 --> 00:44:30.493
Another problem that we have in the park

00:44:30.853 --> 00:44:32.853
is that people play very loud music

00:44:33.213 --> 00:44:35.213
and it is become a real issue for neighborhoods,

00:44:35.493 --> 00:44:37.493
especially on the weekends in the summer.

00:44:37.773 --> 00:44:40.213
It is nice to see families
having parties and enjoying themselves,

00:44:41.373 --> 00:44:43.373
but there doesn't seem to be too many.

00:44:44.293 --> 00:44:46.293
There doesn't seem to be any sense of what the other

00:44:49.930 --> 00:44:51.930
of all of the other in all of this really loud

00:44:51.573 --> 00:44:54.533
music is being played.
It would be nice to have some signs from the city

00:44:56.930 --> 00:44:58.930
that would help people realize that this is a residential area

00:44:59.453 --> 00:45:01.453
and loud music affects the homeowners around the park.

00:45:02.534 --> 00:45:04.534
I would also like to express my concern

00:45:04.734 --> 00:45:06.734
about having a victory a pool at Victory Park.

00:45:08.454 --> 00:45:10.454
The boy used to be a nice,

00:45:11.140 --> 00:45:13.140
a nice addition for the children in the neighborhood

00:45:13.174 --> 00:45:16.540
to play in during hot summers.
But because of the area has become so traffic intensive,

00:45:18.574 --> 00:45:21.134
there is no place to park.
I do not think that opening another pool or fixing

00:45:22.534 --> 00:45:24.534
the present pool is the right decision for the city.

00:45:25.574 --> 00:45:27.574
It will only increase traffic and make it more aggravating

00:45:28.940 --> 00:45:31.940
for the people who live in the area.
There used to be a YMCA downtown that used to be a wonderful

00:45:33.454 --> 00:45:35.454
community center for children

00:45:35.854 --> 00:45:37.854
I would love to see Stockton open up a community center

00:45:38.174 --> 00:45:40.174
near the downtown area where children could go swimming

00:45:41.494 --> 00:45:43.140
and there would be
other activities for children all year round, not just summer

00:45:45.940 --> 00:45:47.940
Thank you for the opportunity to lend my words

00:45:47.534 --> 00:45:50.414
and thank you for the work you're doing in Stockton.
Sincerely, Lydia Rody.

00:45:53.215 --> 00:45:55.215
Carrie Patterson writes

00:45:55.735 --> 00:45:58.695
Greetings, Mayor and Council.
I would like to start by thanking you

00:45:59.135 --> 00:46:01.975
all for the police presence
and speed limit trailer on Pershing.

00:46:03.950 --> 00:46:05.950
It has definitely improved the situation.

00:46:05.775 --> 00:46:08.495
I know that this is just the beginning,
and these aren't long term solutions.

00:46:09.735 --> 00:46:11.735
I look forward to seeing how we can continue to move forward

00:46:12.575 --> 00:46:14.575
in creating a safe purging in neighborhood again.

00:46:16.775 --> 00:46:18.775
I would also like to think I would also like

00:46:19.295 --> 00:46:21.295
to comment on the $59 million in overage funds.

00:46:22.535 --> 00:46:24.855
What an opportunity.
I would love to see the trees

00:46:25.255 --> 00:46:27.255
of our neighborhood be trimmed and cared for and watered.

00:46:28.415 --> 00:46:30.415
Trees are one of the beauties in our city.

00:46:30.655 --> 00:46:32.655
And with each storm, I see them splinter and break

00:46:33.575 --> 00:46:35.575
Planting trees is important, and I would like to see more.

00:46:37.375 --> 00:46:39.375
But caring for what we have is also important.

00:46:41.560 --> 00:46:43.560
Some of these trees took over 100 years to grow.

00:46:44.416 --> 00:46:46.416
Thank you.

00:46:47.616 --> 00:46:50.536
Nina Solari Rights.
I would like to show my support and keeping funds

00:46:51.776 --> 00:46:53.776
that have been allocated to aquatic centers in this city

00:46:54.776 --> 00:46:56.776
be used for those aquatic facilities.

00:46:57.736 --> 00:46:59.736
I do not support those funds being allocated to cleaning up

00:47:01.176 --> 00:47:02.656
the mess
or garbage that the homeless population has left in our city.

00:47:05.656 --> 00:47:07.656
The very fact that our city has allowed

00:47:07.936 --> 00:47:09.936
the homeless population to take over the on off ramps,

00:47:11.496 --> 00:47:13.496
public streets, areas next to the waterways

00:47:14.336 --> 00:47:16.336
and overpasses and underpasses is upsetting

00:47:19.136 --> 00:47:21.136
the very fact that my three year old sees garbage

00:47:21.336 --> 00:47:23.896
and tells me that those are naughty
people shows you

00:47:23.896 --> 00:47:25.896
that even a three year old knows it is not acceptable.

00:47:26.776 --> 00:47:28.776
It's interesting that there are so many rules and restrictions

00:47:29.256 --> 00:47:31.256
placed on businesses and pollution and waterways,

00:47:32.297 --> 00:47:34.297
but the homeless people, many of them who choose to be,

00:47:35.257 --> 00:47:36.857
can pollute
those waterways and cause fires without any reprimand.

00:47:39.497 --> 00:47:41.497
Unsettling, to say the least.

00:47:45.457 --> 00:47:46.817
Julie
Devinsky writes I want to thank the council members

00:47:49.297 --> 00:47:51.297
for addressing this speeding issue on Pershing Avenue.

00:47:52.337 --> 00:47:54.337
The police presence continues to make a huge difference

00:47:54.857 --> 00:47:56.857
in decreasing the noise level, the speeding,

00:47:57.537 --> 00:47:59.537
racing, running red lights and engine revving.

00:48:00.937 --> 00:48:02.937
I hope that the police officers will continue to monitor

00:48:03.577 --> 00:48:05.577
and ticket speeders to keep us safe.

00:48:06.970 --> 00:48:08.970
Our neighborhood residents would like to know. If.

00:48:08.977 --> 00:48:10.977
The council has come up with any other solutions

00:48:12.170 --> 00:48:13.817
to the problem.
Such as boxes that the City of San Francisco uses

00:48:15.977 --> 00:48:17.977
that automatically record this record

00:48:18.257 --> 00:48:20.217
the speed of vehicles
traveling over this, traveling over the speed limit,

00:48:22.258 --> 00:48:24.258
and also generate tickets for those offenders,

00:48:25.898 --> 00:48:28.898
also using dips
along the road that would let traffic flow at the posted.

00:48:31.580 --> 00:48:33.580
30 miles per hour. But no higher.

00:48:34.618 --> 00:48:37.618
We have noticed and appreciate the city
that the city has installed a few larger 30 miles per hour

00:48:39.778 --> 00:48:41.778
signs the signs need to begin on

00:48:42.978 --> 00:48:44.978
Pershing at Brookside Road going south

00:48:47.178 --> 00:48:49.178
where the speed changes from 35 to 30.

00:48:51.418 --> 00:48:53.418
The sign that was on a light post at the top of the bridge

00:48:54.258 --> 00:48:56.258
over the Calaveras River fell down years ago

00:48:56.938 --> 00:48:59.458
and was never replaced.
That site needs to be put up again

00:49:00.418 --> 00:49:03.178
and it should be a large sign.
Thank you for your consideration.

00:49:06.178 --> 00:49:07.578
Lisa.
Do your rights.

00:49:08.418 --> 00:49:11.139
I'm here to support the community
swimming and Aquatics in Stockton.

00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:14.179
My husband and I both grew up swimming in Stockton and Lodi.

00:49:14.899 --> 00:49:17.259
Competitively.
We would like our children to grow up doing the same.

00:49:19.190 --> 00:49:21.259
But have our daughters
found their love for swimming this summer,

00:49:22.539 --> 00:49:24.539
continuing to swim and enjoying the competition of swim meets

00:49:25.859 --> 00:49:27.859
would make them very happy and would mean so much to us.

00:49:29.259 --> 00:49:32.179
Please take into consideration
the children of Stockton who thrive in swimming

00:49:33.739 --> 00:49:35.739
at their local pools where many children do not have options.

00:49:37.379 --> 00:49:39.379
Thank you. Lisa Lovato

00:49:42.990 --> 00:49:44.990
Rosie Ward writes

00:49:44.819 --> 00:49:46.819
respectfully to Mayor Lincoln and all city council members.

00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:50.539
It is time long overdue for our city to be run

00:49:52.779 --> 00:49:54.699
with an abundance
of wisdom, knowledge and fiscal responsibility directed

00:49:56.939 --> 00:49:58.939
to the welfare of our citizens and environment.

00:50:00.190 --> 00:50:02.190
The current overage of funds reveals that the city revenues

00:50:03.900 --> 00:50:05.900
are ample to maintain the health of our beautiful environment,

00:50:08.340 --> 00:50:10.340
specifically

00:50:10.380 --> 00:50:12.380
care of our trees in lieu of chopping them down

00:50:13.340 --> 00:50:15.340
and handing them out, handing responsibility off

00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:18.860
to the property owners.

00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:22.380
We already pay taxes.
Tree maintenance should be covered.

00:50:23.700 --> 00:50:25.700
Prudent maintenance in the context of the rest

00:50:26.100 --> 00:50:28.980
of the environment, i.e.
sidewalks, roadways, green spaces is essential to the

00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:33.860
health and welfare of our city and the very air we breathe.

00:50:36.140 --> 00:50:38.140
The thousands of

00:50:38.540 --> 00:50:40.540
the thousands the thousands our city spends on studies is

00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:46.460
no substitution
for action, skill, commitment, and little imagination.

00:50:49.460 --> 00:50:51.460
Can pull the city out of its mediocre state.

00:50:55.210 --> 00:50:57.210
That is infiltrating our beautiful neighborhoods

00:50:58.210 --> 00:51:00.210
from stem to stern, care for our environment,

00:51:01.210 --> 00:51:03.210
our trees, and nurture our citizens

00:51:04.210 --> 00:51:06.210
with well-kept green spaces and functioning pools

00:51:06.541 --> 00:51:08.541
for our families to find respite

00:51:09.141 --> 00:51:12.610
from the scorching summer heat.
No excuses.

00:51:12.301 --> 00:51:14.301
We need astute management of this city, not lip

00:51:15.821 --> 00:51:17.821
service that cries poor we can't afford.

00:51:19.610 --> 00:51:21.610
It's time to leave your closed door sessions

00:51:22.210 --> 00:51:24.210
and move to action.

00:51:28.621 --> 00:51:31.541
Zoran Giovanni Grates.
Good afternoon, counsel.

00:51:32.701 --> 00:51:34.701
My name is Aaron Giovanni and I'm a homeowner

00:51:35.581 --> 00:51:37.581
residing on North Pershing Avenue.

00:51:38.581 --> 00:51:41.342
Firstly, let me thank you once again
for this opportunity to submit comments

00:51:42.302 --> 00:51:44.302
and suggestions for your consideration.

00:51:45.220 --> 00:51:47.862
I understand that today
you may be considering how to best distribute

00:51:49.622 --> 00:51:51.622
the carry over funds that you have attained,

00:51:52.662 --> 00:51:54.662
allowing for the importance of this achievement

00:51:54.782 --> 00:51:56.782
considering the post bankruptcy environment.

00:51:58.222 --> 00:52:00.222
The next equally important decision you make

00:52:01.142 --> 00:52:03.142
revolves on identifying projects that will give you the best

00:52:04.382 --> 00:52:07.220
bang for your buck.
Last year I planted three new trees

00:52:08.542 --> 00:52:10.542
along my property line out of pocket.

00:52:11.620 --> 00:52:13.502
I thoroughly enjoyed the positive
reaction of my neighbors

00:52:14.102 --> 00:52:16.102
and also regular pedestrians that use a victory park.

00:52:17.542 --> 00:52:19.542
So let me humbly suggest that you use the same low cost,

00:52:20.822 --> 00:52:23.542
high return solution
recently in Victory Park, we lost some very old trees.

00:52:25.542 --> 00:52:28.382
This was mainly due to negligence
by our current park maintenance company.

00:52:30.630 --> 00:52:32.630
This company, Bright Day,

00:52:32.423 --> 00:52:34.423
does not now or in the future add value to our city.

00:52:36.503 --> 00:52:38.823
Reestablishing our parks
department should now be considered.

00:52:40.103 --> 00:52:41.863
In closing,
I would like to remind everyone that Stockton was voted

00:52:44.103 --> 00:52:46.103
the true capital of USA in 1958 and 59.

00:52:48.263 --> 00:52:50.263
Imagine the new slogan Live in the tree capital of USA.

00:52:52.383 --> 00:52:54.543
Sounds great to me.
Spend wisely, please. Sincerely yours. Zoran

00:52:59.103 --> 00:53:01.630
Rachel Soria
writes Funding for aquatics is necessary for our city.

00:53:04.143 --> 00:53:06.143
We need to focus on our youth and health

00:53:06.663 --> 00:53:08.663
in order to keep our city thriving.

00:53:08.903 --> 00:53:10.903
Please do not take funding away from aquatics.

00:53:11.303 --> 00:53:13.303
Thank you.

00:53:16.463 --> 00:53:19.183
Ric and Rosemary Demas.
Right.

00:53:19.943 --> 00:53:22.424
All of our East
Police Advisory Board members live in our so-called Fair

00:53:24.624 --> 00:53:26.624
Oaks District, which borders the BNSF Railroad

00:53:28.104 --> 00:53:30.104
going north on Wilson way to East Fremont Street,

00:53:31.640 --> 00:53:33.640
east in Highway 99 and south of Martin Luther King.

00:53:35.104 --> 00:53:37.104
We members have been meeting regularly

00:53:37.624 --> 00:53:39.624
monthly for the last 20 years

00:53:41.104 --> 00:53:43.424
and through those 20 years
we have all seen the deterioration

00:53:44.144 --> 00:53:46.144
of our neighborhood through neglect from the city

00:53:46.744 --> 00:53:48.744
with few repairs for improvements.

00:53:51.184 --> 00:53:53.184
Today, we need the following improvements.

00:53:54.464 --> 00:53:56.464
Trees in urgent need of trimming or removing,

00:53:57.640 --> 00:53:59.640
causing root deterioration in our gutters and sidewalks.

00:54:00.544 --> 00:54:02.544
New trees planning to restore green benefits of shade.

00:54:04.104 --> 00:54:06.984
Sidewalk repaired and replaced.
Streets repaved and repairs.

00:54:08.344 --> 00:54:10.344
Pedestrian crosswalks repainted, including the stop signage

00:54:12.225 --> 00:54:14.225
pavement repainted at the street corners.

00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:17.250
Additional handicap accessibility walk ramps

00:54:17.625 --> 00:54:20.650
at the corners.
Upgrade our speed bumps to slow down speeders

00:54:22.665 --> 00:54:25.425
and high volume traffic streets.
Installing yellow flashing lights at the pedestrian

00:54:26.905 --> 00:54:29.145
crosswalks.
Installing brighter night street lamps.

00:54:31.250 --> 00:54:33.250
Sincerely the East Police Advisory Board

00:54:35.665 --> 00:54:37.225
that concludes
their public comments.

00:54:39.265 --> 00:54:41.145
Thank you.
Moving on to agenda item 12 content items.

00:54:43.650 --> 00:54:44.865
Are there any items
that the Council would like to pull at this time?

00:54:46.905 --> 00:54:49.825
12, five and 12 six.
12.1.

00:54:51.385 --> 00:54:53.385
Moved to approve the remainder.

00:54:58.250 --> 00:55:00.505
Roll call vote, please.
Great.

00:55:00.906 --> 00:55:02.906
Councilmember Walmsley. Yes.

00:55:03.226 --> 00:55:05.226
Councilmember Canavan. Yes.

00:55:05.466 --> 00:55:08.426
Councilmember Joe Beck. Yes.
Councilmember Lenz.

00:55:09.186 --> 00:55:11.186
Yes. Councilmember Wright. Yes.

00:55:11.586 --> 00:55:14.266
Vice Mayor. Fugazi. Yes.
Mayor Lincoln.

00:55:14.386 --> 00:55:16.386
Yes. Motion passed. 70. Thank you.

00:55:17.586 --> 00:55:19.586
We're going to order 12.1 poll by Councilmember Canopy.

00:55:21.506 --> 00:55:23.506
You have the floor?

00:55:23.586 --> 00:55:24.786
Yeah.
I just wanted clarification on the

00:55:26.946 --> 00:55:29.346
propose the variance.
What what causes the $77.2 million

00:55:34.186 --> 00:55:36.186
variance?

00:55:41.506 --> 00:55:43.506
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

00:55:44.266 --> 00:55:46.266
So this is the item, I believe the

00:55:47.826 --> 00:55:50.506
12.1. Yeah.
Market update in your question is specific to the variance.

00:55:54.667 --> 00:55:56.270
Yeah.
So it says again, city consolidated investment

00:55:57.147 --> 00:55:59.147
portfolio was approximate 70 70.6

00:56:02.270 --> 00:56:04.270
and it was 847.8

00:56:06.427 --> 00:56:08.427
because of expenditures.

00:56:08.707 --> 00:56:10.787
Can you clarify that?
I was kind of confused. Yeah.

00:56:11.787 --> 00:56:13.787
Let me pull in the $77.2 million

00:56:14.827 --> 00:56:16.827
less than the prior quarter.

00:56:18.307 --> 00:56:20.307
That seems like a chunk of dough Yes,

00:56:25.107 --> 00:56:27.107
So I'm on

00:56:27.267 --> 00:56:29.267
one of three. Of.

00:56:31.747 --> 00:56:33.947
Yes, I.
OK, so so that the

00:56:37.387 --> 00:56:39.387
the the remainder of the Oh, so you're saying

00:56:40.308 --> 00:56:42.308
that the 77.2 million less than the prior value.

00:56:44.868 --> 00:56:46.868
So there's a couple of things going on there.

00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.280
So it is that the revenues are sorry, the expenditures

00:56:50.268 --> 00:56:52.268
exceeded the receipts, so the market was slightly down.

00:56:55.708 --> 00:56:57.708
But there's also we have the

00:56:58.708 --> 00:57:00.708
what's included in the in the consolidated portfolio

00:57:03.308 --> 00:57:05.308
number is other investments outside of this portfolio, other

00:57:07.668 --> 00:57:09.668
liquid you know, investments like our camp

00:57:11.668 --> 00:57:13.668
and our

00:57:14.428 --> 00:57:16.428
oh, I can't remember the name of it.

00:57:17.428 --> 00:57:19.428
It is the the the

00:57:20.108 --> 00:57:22.108
county investment.

00:57:23.508 --> 00:57:26.308
The one that
the state manages for us,
I think it's called Laugh Cola or something like that.

00:57:28.628 --> 00:57:30.628
You know, remember off the top of my head.

00:57:32.349 --> 00:57:34.349
So generally and then we've had

00:57:35.290 --> 00:57:37.290
we did have some

00:57:38.949 --> 00:57:40.949
we did make another deposit into or we had to take

00:57:44.229 --> 00:57:46.229
some withdrawals out of the investment portfolio.

00:57:47.509 --> 00:57:49.509
To make some cash payments.

00:57:51.509 --> 00:57:53.509
Those will be those were pulled out of the portfolio.

00:57:54.469 --> 00:57:56.469
They will be replenished with other investment

00:57:59.749 --> 00:58:02.669
liquidity type funds.
So at the end of the day,

00:58:05.290 --> 00:58:07.290
the the variance of 77.2 million

00:58:09.389 --> 00:58:11.389
is really just more tied to market changes.

00:58:13.509 --> 00:58:15.509
It's not it's on most of it is unrealized.

00:58:16.709 --> 00:58:18.709
Losses and not realized.

00:58:19.469 --> 00:58:21.469
If you look at the

00:58:22.190 --> 00:58:24.190
the attachment

00:58:26.990 --> 00:58:28.990
and you look at

00:58:29.550 --> 00:58:32.470
page 29
of the attachment, you'll see the account summary there

00:58:37.430 --> 00:58:39.430
There's our camp pool, our local agency investment.

00:58:41.150 --> 00:58:43.150
That was the money I was talking about, which is 70.

00:58:43.790 --> 00:58:46.150
5 million.
So this the, the 569 million

00:58:49.700 --> 00:58:51.700
in this PFM managed account.

00:58:52.700 --> 00:58:54.700
This is what has kind of decreased

00:58:55.350 --> 00:58:57.350
from the prior valuation three months prior.

00:58:59.830 --> 00:59:01.830
OK, so what you're saying, so the more liquid investments

00:59:03.870 --> 00:59:05.870
are what you would sell off obviously.

00:59:05.910 --> 00:59:07.910
So not the Treasury notes and so. Correct.

00:59:08.350 --> 00:59:10.350
Things are more stable of an investment so.

00:59:12.231 --> 00:59:15.191
Correct. That need the money out of it.
So then you would take that out which will be replaced.

00:59:17.271 --> 00:59:18.951
Exactly.
It'll come from it'll come from additional funding from

00:59:22.391 --> 00:59:24.391
some of the other investments that we have.

00:59:25.911 --> 00:59:27.911
So it's not don't look at this as this is

00:59:30.151 --> 00:59:32.151
this is the our most risk free portfolio that we have.

00:59:34.391 --> 00:59:36.951
The changes that you're going to see
are usually going to be on the margin.

00:59:38.351 --> 00:59:40.351
Unless we have a cash outflow, we need the cash to

00:59:41.191 --> 00:59:43.151
make those payments.
And then when we get that

00:59:43.711 --> 00:59:45.711
the the loan money in or other funds,

00:59:46.831 --> 00:59:49.591
it goes back into this portfolio.
Because I don't I don't know if I recall it being that big.

00:59:50.751 --> 00:59:52.751
Yeah.
I I would have to look at the the last couple of ones.

00:59:55.310 --> 00:59:57.310
I think it was a little bit larger than than last time,

00:59:58.231 --> 01:00:00.991
but we did have. Some get put back then.
So it's not an anomaly. So.

01:00:01.632 --> 01:00:03.632
Oh, I imagine No, we have.

01:00:04.272 --> 01:00:06.112
Yeah.
Not enough.
59 million here. But you just lost. Yeah.

01:00:07.832 --> 01:00:10.272
Now 70.
So. Okay, that was my question.

01:00:11.720 --> 01:00:13.720
Okay.

01:00:16.352 --> 01:00:18.352
So when we. Do

01:00:20.312 --> 01:00:23.320
share move to approve second.
All see a quick roll call vote please.

01:00:26.720 --> 01:00:28.232
Councilmember Walmsley.
Yes. Councilmember Canapé. Yes.

01:00:29.232 --> 01:00:31.752
Councilmember Joe Brown. Yes.
Councilmember Lenz.

01:00:32.392 --> 01:00:34.392
Yes. Councilmember. Right. Yes.

01:00:34.712 --> 01:00:37.192
Vice Mayor.
Fugazi. Yes.
Mayor Lincoln. Yes.

01:00:37.672 --> 01:00:40.632
Motion passes 70.
Thank you.
Agenda Item 12.5. Pulled by Vice Mayor Ghazi.

01:00:42.592 --> 01:00:44.512
You have the floor.
Yes. Hello. Marcel Masi. How are you doing this evening?

01:00:46.112 --> 01:00:48.632
Good evening. Thank you.
Jody. I'm a public works director.

01:00:49.432 --> 01:00:51.432
So I just have really a simple question.

01:00:52.193 --> 01:00:54.193
So this Griffin Structures Inc out of Santa Clara.

01:00:56.313 --> 01:00:58.313
I want to make sure that moving forward on this project,

01:00:59.553 --> 01:01:02.153
as we have on other projects,
that they understand that we have a CW to in effect

01:01:05.553 --> 01:01:07.553
and that we have somebody who will be monitoring it

01:01:09.233 --> 01:01:11.233
or somehow there's some reporting on it

01:01:11.313 --> 01:01:13.313
to make sure that they're abiding by the CW to Absolutely.

01:01:15.273 --> 01:01:17.273
So not only is this construction management firm

01:01:17.793 --> 01:01:19.633
going to help with that,
but we also have city staff that's dedicated.

01:01:21.433 --> 01:01:23.833
Usually it's monitored
at the time that we do our pasta inmates.

01:01:24.473 --> 01:01:26.473
So this is an ongoing thing throughout the project.

01:01:26.993 --> 01:01:29.913
Very dynamic.
OK, great.
That that was my main concern

01:01:31.513 --> 01:01:33.513
just because like I know from other projects

01:01:33.673 --> 01:01:36.553
that sometimes it's a struggle,
but we put that in place for a reason.

01:01:38.730 --> 01:01:40.730
And I want to make sure that we're hiring local and

01:01:40.914 --> 01:01:42.914
and having our people do the work on our own.

01:01:43.834 --> 01:01:45.834
City Hall that they're paying taxes on to have in the city.

01:01:47.834 --> 01:01:49.834
So thank you. That's my only question.

01:01:49.954 --> 01:01:51.954
If there aren't any others, I'll make the motion to approve.

01:01:54.474 --> 01:01:56.474
Clerk roll call vote, please.

01:01:57.740 --> 01:01:59.740
Councilmember Walmsley. Yes.

01:01:59.114 --> 01:02:01.114
Councilmember Campo.
Yes. Councilmember Joe Breck. Yes.

01:02:02.194 --> 01:02:04.834
Councilmember Lenz.
Yes. Councilmember Right.

01:02:05.434 --> 01:02:07.994
Yes. Vice Mayor. Ferguson.
Yes. Mayor Lincoln.

01:02:08.274 --> 01:02:10.274
Yes. Motion passes 70.

01:02:10.794 --> 01:02:12.194
Thank you.
An agenda item 12.6 for VI basement for Ghazi.

01:02:14.194 --> 01:02:16.234
You have the floor?
Yes. So I'm happy to see this item on the agenda.

01:02:18.274 --> 01:02:20.274
I'm obviously in support of it.

01:02:20.634 --> 01:02:22.634
I know that it is a federally funded

01:02:23.594 --> 01:02:25.594
and the question that I have regarding it is

01:02:27.154 --> 01:02:29.154
will we have more of these in the future?

01:02:29.234 --> 01:02:31.155
Because I know that
they are a safety measure and help with us and prevention

01:02:34.395 --> 01:02:36.395
of what could be some disastrous traffic situations.

01:02:38.835 --> 01:02:40.435
Absolutely.
So I really give credit to our city engineer

01:02:42.350 --> 01:02:44.350
and our city traffic engineer they've been really diligent,

01:02:45.875 --> 01:02:47.875
very proactive, applying for every grant opportunity,

01:02:48.915 --> 01:02:50.915
whether it's the highway safety improvement program.

01:02:52.355 --> 01:02:54.355
This is, you know, see, Mac, we're always ETP.

01:02:55.875 --> 01:02:57.875
They're very aggressive applying for projects like this.

01:02:59.195 --> 01:03:01.195
So absolutely there's more to come.

01:03:01.595 --> 01:03:03.595
Well, I saw in here that it said that there's there

01:03:04.350 --> 01:03:06.350
was money of obviously sufficient funds available.

01:03:07.835 --> 01:03:09.835
So I didn't know if there was some change left over in order

01:03:11.315 --> 01:03:13.315
for us to do it somewhere. Else in the city as well.

01:03:13.835 --> 01:03:15.835
But it has to be specific for the application of our grant

01:03:18.155 --> 01:03:20.155
at this location because I know we've done part of the way.

01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:23.360
Now, this will help complete

01:03:23.676 --> 01:03:26.156
that part of El Dorado.
You're correct. OK.

01:03:27.516 --> 01:03:29.596
So thank you.
Move to approve.

01:03:31.276 --> 01:03:33.276
Quick roll call vote with.

01:03:33.396 --> 01:03:36.116
Councilmember. Walmsley. Yes.
Councilmember Canavan. Yes.

01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:39.636
Councilmember Joe Brown. Yes.
Councilmember Lenz.

01:03:40.356 --> 01:03:42.916
Yes. Councilmember Wright.
Yes. Vice Mayor Fugazi.

01:03:43.436 --> 01:03:45.996
Yes. Mayor Lincoln.
Yes. Motion passes 70. Thank you.

01:03:48.156 --> 01:03:50.156
And 13 administrative matters there are.

01:03:50.316 --> 01:03:52.316
Then we'll move on. 14 unfinished business.

01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.956
There is unfinished business this evening
so we'll move on to agenda item 15 which is new business 15.1

01:03:59.996 --> 01:04:01.996
which is except the fiscal year 20 2021 fourth quarter budget

01:04:04.396 --> 01:04:06.396
status update authorize budget amendments

01:04:07.476 --> 01:04:09.476
and make allocations to general fund reserves staff.

01:04:10.837 --> 01:04:12.837
You have the floor to present.

01:04:18.597 --> 01:04:21.197
Good evening Mayor and council
Kimberly Trammell, the city's budget officer and today

01:04:23.477 --> 01:04:25.477
we will be talking about the preliminary year end results

01:04:29.917 --> 01:04:31.317
for the
fiscal year that ended June 30th 2021.

01:04:33.357 --> 01:04:35.357
And so I do want to mention at the beginning

01:04:36.357 --> 01:04:38.717
of the presentation that these are
preliminary numbers for the year an audit is underway.

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As we were preparing this report, some of the numbers

01:04:44.197 --> 01:04:46.197
were projections and still estimates.

01:04:46.477 --> 01:04:48.477
So there may be some changes from this point forward.

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And there could also be changes from the audit

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so start with some of our numbers overview.

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This story is very similar to what we've discussed

01:05:02.398 --> 01:05:04.398
at previous quarterly updates.

01:05:05.958 --> 01:05:07.958
Our revenues are ending the year we project

01:05:09.118 --> 01:05:11.118
just under 270 million, which is about 46.2%

01:05:14.278 --> 01:05:16.798
more than budget,
because we were anticipating that revenues would be down 10%

01:05:18.998 --> 01:05:21.718
when we put the budget together.
And in reality what happened was we saw revenues up 8%

01:05:24.358 --> 01:05:26.358
compared to the prior year.

01:05:27.238 --> 01:05:29.798
Now we anticipated most of this.
This is about 15.3 million more than what we talked

01:05:31.638 --> 01:05:33.638
what we showed when we did the third quarter presentation.

01:05:34.558 --> 01:05:36.718
And I'll talk a little bit more
about what's changed specifically on the next slide.

01:05:38.878 --> 01:05:40.878
Expenditures are coming in at about 262.8 million

01:05:43.798 --> 01:05:45.798
this is 13.2 million less than budget and about 14

01:05:48.518 --> 01:05:50.518
or I'm sorry, 4.3 million less than the third quarter.

01:05:52.359 --> 01:05:54.359
So that leaves us with an ending available

01:05:55.390 --> 01:05:57.390
balance of 74, 76.4 million.

01:05:58.279 --> 01:06:00.879
But we'll talk about some of the commitments
against that balance and some of the other needs

01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:07.159
got a few slides here with lots of numbers.

01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:10.159
So as I mentioned, general fund

01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:12.199
revenues, the largest variance from previous numbers we've seen

01:06:13.319 --> 01:06:15.319
have been in our sales tax category.

01:06:15.359 --> 01:06:18.790
The sales tax category is the city's
largest general fund revenue source.

01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:21.519
And so we actually saw an almost 15 million

01:06:22.439 --> 01:06:24.439
increase from last time we talked about sales tax

01:06:27.359 --> 01:06:28.799
this is
actually 17.2% up versus prior year.

01:06:31.799 --> 01:06:33.799
It's unprecedented, unexpected, and it's happening

01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:36.599
in many communities in California.

01:06:37.319 --> 01:06:39.319
When we all went into shortly after the pandemic started

01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:43.360
thinking we were going to see very severe revenue drops.

01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.760
There's a number of contributing factors
to our sales tax revenues being higher than anticipated.

01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:52.280
And a couple of those factors are things

01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:54.760
like stimulus payments
coming to our households and those being spent on taxable

01:06:57.240 --> 01:06:59.240
goods, restrictions on travel, live entertainment and dining

01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:03.760
during that last fiscal year kept people at home

01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.800
and kept people spending money locally
rather than traveling and taking trips

01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.400
and spending their money elsewhere, there was a shift

01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:13.400
from nontaxable services to taxable goods.

01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:16.720
So maybe you dropped
your gym membership and you bought a treadmill for home.

01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:21.240
That's something that's going to add
to local sales tax revenues

01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:25.440
and replace something that would not previously

01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:28.280
there's also been an increase in purchase

01:07:29.160 --> 01:07:31.160
of automobiles, recreation vehicles, home improvements.

01:07:32.641 --> 01:07:35.441
If people are staying at home, they're looking,
they're fixing things and now towards the tail end

01:07:37.681 --> 01:07:39.681
of what's been a rollercoaster of a year and a half or so,

01:07:41.761 --> 01:07:43.761
we're seeing high inflation rates on everyday

01:07:45.100 --> 01:07:47.100
goods and services and on things like lumber.

01:07:48.241 --> 01:07:50.241
So that's very much driving up some of our sales tax areas.

01:07:51.321 --> 01:07:53.321
And then we're seeing supply chain issues.

01:07:53.481 --> 01:07:55.481
So in some cases, it's harder to get things

01:07:55.881 --> 01:07:58.601
and that's inflating prices,
which is also inflating our sales tax money.

01:08:00.921 --> 01:08:03.441
So what does that mean?
Long term is really the next question.

01:08:04.961 --> 01:08:06.961
That will, as financial experts be considering,

01:08:07.921 --> 01:08:10.361
is this going to continue?
Well, I think just based on some of those factors

01:08:12.241 --> 01:08:14.241
that I just mentioned, that there are

01:08:14.401 --> 01:08:16.121
some that are going
to swing back the other way or go back to something

01:08:18.361 --> 01:08:20.361
that resembles pre-pandemic levels, their online

01:08:22.802 --> 01:08:24.802
purchases will probably never be the same.

01:08:26.762 --> 01:08:28.762
But some of those other things like travel

01:08:28.882 --> 01:08:30.882
and spending money on nontaxable services will probably go back

01:08:32.802 --> 01:08:35.322
to what we've seen previously.
So we are not anticipating that this level of sales

01:08:36.842 --> 01:08:38.842
tax dollar will continue year after year after year.

01:08:41.522 --> 01:08:43.322
The other
major variances since our last update

01:08:45.482 --> 01:08:47.482
are in our utility users tax and our business license tax

01:08:48.762 --> 01:08:50.962
utility users tax.
What we saw is our water,

01:08:51.362 --> 01:08:53.682
gas and electricity
based taxes have gone up more than anticipated.

01:08:55.682 --> 01:08:57.682
They had 8% growth year over year.

01:08:58.420 --> 01:09:00.402
In a typical year,
we see some variation due

01:09:01.820 --> 01:09:04.420
to whether people are heating their homes more.
But we normally see about a 1% growth in this area.

01:09:07.922 --> 01:09:09.922
On the reverse side of that, our cable and telecommunication

01:09:11.300 --> 01:09:13.300
utility user taxes are down as people are cutting the cards

01:09:14.483 --> 01:09:16.483
and streaming more instead of using cable

01:09:18.123 --> 01:09:20.123
business license tax is also an 8%

01:09:20.643 --> 01:09:22.643
increase over the prior year, about $1,000,000 up.

01:09:23.763 --> 01:09:25.763
And one large component of our business license

01:09:27.443 --> 01:09:29.443
taxes, of course, our cannabis businesses,

01:09:29.883 --> 01:09:31.883
which brought in about 1.5 million in the 20,

01:09:32.883 --> 01:09:35.123
21 fiscal year,
which is only about 200,000 more than the prior year.

01:09:39.803 --> 01:09:42.403
This chart that we see in front of you
compares general fund revenues by the

01:09:43.643 --> 01:09:46.483
some of the categories I just spoke of.
And the largest bar on the bottom is our sales tax number

01:09:48.603 --> 01:09:50.603
and then we go based on the size of each of the revenues.

01:09:52.523 --> 01:09:54.683
I just want to point out
kind of the overall trend we've been trending up.

01:09:56.430 --> 01:09:58.430
If you go back to 16, 17 and then the second to last bar

01:10:00.300 --> 01:10:02.564
is the 20, 21 budgets,
you can see our budget was well below

01:10:03.684 --> 01:10:06.644
our actuals for the prior year
and so our prior year actuals were about 249 million

01:10:09.484 --> 01:10:11.484
and our 20, 21 projected actuals

01:10:12.364 --> 01:10:14.364
are about 270 million

01:10:17.204 --> 01:10:19.204
back to the expenditure side of the House, as I mentioned,

01:10:20.440 --> 01:10:22.440
we had 4.3 million less than the third quarter.

01:10:23.684 --> 01:10:26.364
Some of our departments are coming under
and under budget largely due to vacancy savings.

01:10:29.164 --> 01:10:31.164
We had about 8% vacancies across the city,

01:10:31.484 --> 01:10:33.484
which is actually slightly lower than the prior year.

01:10:36.484 --> 01:10:38.484
We had some offsets from one time federal COVID dollars

01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:43.400
and then also as part of the pandemic,
we have some things that some activities that are delayed

01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:47.840
we maybe weren't out there as much or buying as much and

01:10:49.164 --> 01:10:51.164
delivering services in different ways.

01:10:51.725 --> 01:10:53.725
And then we had some unspent contingency dollars

01:10:56.965 --> 01:10:58.965
this chart shows the

01:10:59.965 --> 01:11:01.965
year in expenditures by category and where they are

01:11:04.850 --> 01:11:06.850
compared to where we projected they'd be at third quarter.

01:11:07.285 --> 01:11:09.285
The purple line is the third quarter projection,

01:11:10.325 --> 01:11:12.325
the orange is the budget
and the year end is where they ended up.

01:11:13.450 --> 01:11:15.450
So you can see most of our departments

01:11:15.405 --> 01:11:17.405
are in that 95 to 199% range, which is where

01:11:20.245 --> 01:11:22.605
we'd expect them to be.
We have a couple that are

01:11:22.925 --> 01:11:24.925
below that, including our Office of Violence

01:11:25.165 --> 01:11:27.165
Prevention, primarily
due to vacancies in our administration section,

01:11:29.965 --> 01:11:31.965
which also has some departments with higher than

01:11:32.765 --> 01:11:34.765
normal vacancies

01:11:38.450 --> 01:11:40.450
our next slide is our long range financial plan.

01:11:41.206 --> 01:11:43.206
And so I'll go over the

01:11:44.286 --> 01:11:46.286
structure of this chart because we did change it in

01:11:47.766 --> 01:11:50.860
this earlier this year.
And so just as a refresher,

01:11:52.460 --> 01:11:54.460
so we have bars for the balance of each fiscal year.

01:11:55.806 --> 01:11:57.806
This is general fund only and the bars

01:11:58.126 --> 01:12:01.860
consist of three different colors,
the light blue, which is our working capital,

01:12:02.606 --> 01:12:04.606
the dark blue, which is our other reserves,

01:12:04.646 --> 01:12:07.526
including known contingency and risk
based and our pension trust dollars are the yellow bars.

01:12:10.326 --> 01:12:12.326
The top part of bar

01:12:12.726 --> 01:12:14.726
we have our 5% dotted red line at the bottom.

01:12:16.206 --> 01:12:18.406
That's our warning level.
It is the intent that we don't go below

01:12:19.286 --> 01:12:21.286
the dotted red line that's at the bottom.

01:12:21.446 --> 01:12:23.446
And then we have the solid red line that's above that.

01:12:23.886 --> 01:12:25.886
That is our two month

01:12:26.446 --> 01:12:28.446
working capital reserve that we'd like to stay at that level.

01:12:29.966 --> 01:12:31.966
So if you look at the long term trend, it hasn't changed much

01:12:34.327 --> 01:12:36.327
from the chart you saw during the budget development in June.

01:12:39.727 --> 01:12:40.967
We're
looking at in that 3530 637, we're

01:12:43.807 --> 01:12:45.807
hitting very low amounts that are uncomfortable

01:12:47.167 --> 01:12:49.167
and right by 2036 we're below our two month

01:12:52.127 --> 01:12:54.127
working capital reserve and in the 3637 years

01:12:58.870 --> 01:13:00.870
we're just barely making our 5% warning level

01:13:06.447 --> 01:13:08.447
so all of our sources are below

01:13:09.700 --> 01:13:11.700
17% in the last few years of the chart and the primary,

01:13:12.647 --> 01:13:14.247
one of the
many drivers behind this is that the strong communities

01:13:17.407 --> 01:13:19.407
measure ends around that time and the the

01:13:20.968 --> 01:13:23.800
the operating costs
that are currently being paid by strong communities

01:13:24.248 --> 01:13:27.128
come back into the general fund at that point.
So you have a big increase in expenses

01:13:29.128 --> 01:13:31.128
in later years that doesn't have a corresponding revenue

01:13:32.128 --> 01:13:34.128
to cover it

01:13:34.648 --> 01:13:36.648
you'll note that we spend down our pension

01:13:36.808 --> 01:13:39.648
trust by about 20, 37.
So all the dollars that we have in there today

01:13:41.248 --> 01:13:43.248
are used to pay future pension costs in this model

01:13:47.248 --> 01:13:49.248
we will we're continuing at continually updating this.

01:13:50.808 --> 01:13:52.808
This has been updated with the preliminary 20 or 21 results.

01:13:55.288 --> 01:13:57.288
We'll continue to work on the revenue forecasting

01:13:58.808 --> 01:14:00.928
and identifying
whether some of these

01:14:00.928 --> 01:14:02.928
revenues are ongoing or whether they're going to be

01:14:04.168 --> 01:14:06.728
one time bumps.
We'll also continue working on some of our expenditure

01:14:08.488 --> 01:14:10.488
assumptions as we approach the next budget cycle, things

01:14:12.329 --> 01:14:15.490
like did we incur
new ongoing costs with things that we're buying

01:14:16.609 --> 01:14:19.449
with our one time federal dollars.
So we're already seeing some of that and

01:14:21.449 --> 01:14:23.449
I'm expecting requests for new funding for some of these items

01:14:24.649 --> 01:14:26.649
to continue ongoing

01:14:31.209 --> 01:14:33.889
so that brings us to
how much money is there

01:14:35.689 --> 01:14:37.689
so our ending available balance per year attachment

01:14:39.890 --> 01:14:41.890
and as I mentioned previously, is 76.4 million.

01:14:42.369 --> 01:14:44.889
That excludes some of the money
that was put in reserves in the prior year.

01:14:46.289 --> 01:14:48.289
So we have 33.3 million left from prior year reserves.

01:14:50.889 --> 01:14:52.889
Some of what was put into the reserves last year,

01:14:53.409 --> 01:14:55.409
of course, was spent put into the pension trust

01:14:55.649 --> 01:14:57.649
or spent on activities as it was allocated.

01:14:59.900 --> 01:15:01.900
So there's a total of 109.7.

01:15:01.890 --> 01:15:04.890
But when you have that,
you have to first
take out some commitments

01:15:05.500 --> 01:15:07.500
that we've already made against that 109.7.

01:15:07.810 --> 01:15:10.450
As we went through our budget process,
we knew we were going to have some of this.

01:15:11.490 --> 01:15:13.490
We knew we were going to have 82.9 million

01:15:15.900 --> 01:15:17.900
and as part of the budget process, we said, Here's

01:15:17.450 --> 01:15:19.690
how we're going to spend some of that.
We have some new ongoing revenues.

01:15:20.330 --> 01:15:22.330
We added some new ongoing expenses,

01:15:22.770 --> 01:15:25.290
we added some onetime expenses
so some of this has

01:15:25.290 --> 01:15:27.290
already been committed in the upcoming budget cycle.

01:15:28.450 --> 01:15:30.450
There's also things in the known contingency reserve

01:15:31.500 --> 01:15:33.890
that are carrying forward from prior years
that are ongoing projects that have been committed

01:15:36.500 --> 01:15:38.500
out of our known contingency dollars.

01:15:39.450 --> 01:15:41.570
So we're
what we are fiscal responsibility

01:15:45.500 --> 01:15:47.770
includes a Reserve policy.
In that Reserve policy, we set reserve targets.

01:15:50.500 --> 01:15:52.611
We have three buckets.
So the reserve targets that were set last

01:15:53.611 --> 01:15:55.611
June are on the slide below the available dollar amount.

01:15:57.371 --> 01:15:59.371
The working capital are two months or 16.7% is 42.6 million.

01:16:02.931 --> 01:16:04.931
The known contingency target was set at 58.6

01:16:06.411 --> 01:16:08.411
to cover things like future pension costs, retention

01:16:09.331 --> 01:16:11.371
and recruitment,
infrastructure and technology projects, that kind of thing.

01:16:13.771 --> 01:16:15.771
And our risk based is targeted at 72.2 million.

01:16:17.851 --> 01:16:19.851
So we are looking to have in our general fund reserve

01:16:21.931 --> 01:16:23.931
$173.4 million.

01:16:26.291 --> 01:16:28.291
We've had some rough financial years.

01:16:28.491 --> 01:16:30.491
We all understand that there's a lot of unmet needs out there

01:16:32.110 --> 01:16:33.851
and that putting
this much into reserves may not be the best course of action.

01:16:37.110 --> 01:16:39.110
So for that reason, we have a proposal

01:16:39.731 --> 01:16:41.731
that differs from the reserve target in the staff report.

01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:45.920
This evening

01:16:45.932 --> 01:16:47.932
the recommendation for the additional 27 million.

01:16:48.812 --> 01:16:50.812
And let me stop just to make sure that it's clear

01:16:51.812 --> 01:16:53.812
there's a lot of numbers being thrown out.

01:16:54.212 --> 01:16:56.692
We knew we were going
we were going to have 82.9 million when we put the

01:16:59.652 --> 01:17:02.120
New Year budget together.
So that had

01:17:02.120 --> 01:17:04.120
all been incorporated in the long range financial plan

01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:07.520
so we're really only looking at new additional one time money

01:17:09.452 --> 01:17:11.452
that's been realized since that point in time.

01:17:13.292 --> 01:17:15.292
And so we've gone from that 82.9 to the 109 million.

01:17:17.132 --> 01:17:19.132
And so we have approximately an additional 27 million

01:17:20.812 --> 01:17:22.812
that we did not previously anticipate

01:17:24.572 --> 01:17:26.572
so the recommendation is first and foremost,

01:17:27.332 --> 01:17:29.932
because our revenues are up,
we have something that's left over from our bankruptcy

01:17:31.693 --> 01:17:33.693
settlements that where we share our revenues with one of our

01:17:36.453 --> 01:17:38.173
creditors.
And so we estimate that that's almost it's

01:17:39.933 --> 01:17:41.933
between 2.7 to 2.8 of additional dollars

01:17:43.133 --> 01:17:45.733
that will be paid to our creditor.
So that comes off the top.

01:17:45.853 --> 01:17:47.853
It's from money earned in that fiscal year

01:17:48.453 --> 01:17:50.453
and thus needs to be paid out of the money that we have now.

01:17:53.733 --> 01:17:55.733
The second recommendation is 12.9 million

01:17:56.213 --> 01:17:58.213
for council priorities, which would then put

01:17:59.253 --> 01:18:01.253
11.5 million in the reserves.

01:18:02.930 --> 01:18:04.930
There is no the working capital reserve would be that 42.6.

01:18:06.173 --> 01:18:08.173
It's set at two months of our future year's expenses.

01:18:09.333 --> 01:18:11.333
There's not that number has not changed.

01:18:12.773 --> 01:18:14.773
What number would go up is our known contingency number,

01:18:16.453 --> 01:18:18.453
which we previously anticipated would be 35.3 million.

01:18:20.774 --> 01:18:22.774
We're now if we did 11.5 million additional dollars,

01:18:24.414 --> 01:18:26.414
it would be 46.8 million of the $58.6 million target.

01:18:30.894 --> 01:18:32.654
And so that no
contingency would be four things as I mentioned,

01:18:35.734 --> 01:18:37.734
now it's things we know are going to happen,

01:18:38.940 --> 01:18:40.574
but we don't quite know how much
they're going to cost or when they're going to happen.

01:18:41.614 --> 01:18:43.614
So thus they're not budgeted.

01:18:43.734 --> 01:18:46.694
We've used it for things like infrastructure
and technology in the past.

01:18:47.414 --> 01:18:49.414
We've replaced our public safety radio infrastructure

01:18:51.334 --> 01:18:53.334
and we've replaced our 30 year old plus

01:18:55.940 --> 01:18:57.940
financial and human resources system.

01:18:58.454 --> 01:19:00.454
We've put money towards a new city hall.

01:19:01.294 --> 01:19:03.294
We're anticipating that there will be

01:19:03.334 --> 01:19:06.254
money needed for the historic city
city hall that we're currently in.

01:19:07.174 --> 01:19:09.174
We've used it for our retention and recruitment

01:19:09.694 --> 01:19:11.694
efforts in prior labor negotiations

01:19:12.295 --> 01:19:14.150
we've said, OK,
we can do some additional one time things

01:19:15.455 --> 01:19:17.455
because we have one time money from prior years.

01:19:18.935 --> 01:19:20.935
We've used it to weather the perfect storm

01:19:21.975 --> 01:19:23.975
so we started the long range financial plan.

01:19:24.735 --> 01:19:26.575
Per's was at seven
and a half percent discount rate of return assumptions.

01:19:29.135 --> 01:19:32.135
They're now going to 6.8.
They've just confirmed and we anticipate that

01:19:33.175 --> 01:19:35.775
they're going to go lower
over the term of our long range financial plan.

01:19:37.295 --> 01:19:39.295
So it's essential to helping us weather that pension storm

01:19:43.215 --> 01:19:45.175
and the other thing that
we're seeing this year that I think

01:19:45.575 --> 01:19:47.575
is going to be a major theme in our upcoming budget

01:19:48.695 --> 01:19:50.695
cycle is just the inflationary costs of goods and services

01:19:51.815 --> 01:19:54.255
that the city is seeing.
Construction costs are going up

01:19:55.255 --> 01:19:57.255
and services that are associated with many things

01:19:58.950 --> 01:20:00.815
that we do are just going to cost more
as we go into the next budget cycle.

01:20:05.416 --> 01:20:08.560
So that would leave a total
or put a total of 94.4 million in the reserves

01:20:11.160 --> 01:20:13.160
compared to the 173.4 million

01:20:14.216 --> 01:20:16.216
that is in the reserve target

01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:19.560
with our risk based reserves remaining at 5 million.

01:20:20.256 --> 01:20:22.256
The risk based reserves are for more catastrophes, major

01:20:23.976 --> 01:20:25.976
infrastructure failures, revenue downturns, that kind of thing.

01:20:31.976 --> 01:20:33.336
We have
a summary on the slide of the recommendation

01:20:35.696 --> 01:20:37.696
for the $12.9 million in one time projects

01:20:39.616 --> 01:20:41.616
that could be paid for out of the additional funds available.

01:20:44.136 --> 01:20:46.136
There's additional information on each of these as attachments

01:20:47.216 --> 01:20:50.560
see to the staff report
I do want to remind you that these are one time dollars.

01:20:51.777 --> 01:20:54.737
There is
we really can't spend them on ongoing expenses.

01:20:56.457 --> 01:20:58.457
We need to spend one time dollars on one time projects.

01:21:00.937 --> 01:21:03.697
We also have
and I don't need to remind council,

01:21:04.777 --> 01:21:06.777
but just for the public, a reminder

01:21:07.570 --> 01:21:09.570
that there are a lot of there's a lot of other activity

01:21:09.217 --> 01:21:12.177
and other dollars flowing into the city.
So these would be projects on top of all of the other activity

01:21:14.697 --> 01:21:16.697
that's going on from some of our federal stimulus dollars.

01:21:21.817 --> 01:21:23.817
I'll close out the presentation and then with

01:21:24.137 --> 01:21:26.137
only two more slides, then I'm sure there'll be questions.

01:21:27.617 --> 01:21:29.617
So in the staff report, in addition to the

01:21:31.777 --> 01:21:33.777
the fund balance changes that we've discussed,

01:21:35.657 --> 01:21:37.657
we also have a couple of Budget Amendment actions

01:21:38.617 --> 01:21:40.617
one would be allocating vacancy savings of 178,000

01:21:42.538 --> 01:21:45.980
from other administration
to some of the smaller city departments where the vacancy

01:21:47.698 --> 01:21:50.498
savings are actually experienced.
We have to carry forward budget

01:21:51.138 --> 01:21:53.138
appropriations in our recreation and strong communities funds,

01:21:54.338 --> 01:21:56.938
which just
means the appropriation
from the last fiscal

01:21:56.938 --> 01:21:59.618
year can carry forward into the new year
so they can complete the project. And then

01:22:02.618 --> 01:22:05.578
there's a swimming pool evaluations project
that has a balance that we'd like to put towards

01:22:06.498 --> 01:22:08.498
the council priority projects that are being discussed tonight

01:22:11.978 --> 01:22:14.578
so the overall recommendation
is to accept the budget status report,

01:22:16.218 --> 01:22:18.218
allocate the vacancy savings budget just mentioned,

01:22:18.778 --> 01:22:20.778
authorize the carry forward of the recreation and strong

01:22:21.858 --> 01:22:23.858
communities budget, authorize the reserve

01:22:25.578 --> 01:22:27.578
for the contingent payment of about 2.7 million.

01:22:28.378 --> 01:22:31.580
Authorize the transfer of the swimming
pool evaluation project balance authorize the 2122

01:22:33.939 --> 01:22:36.339
general fund appropriation
for council projects of just under 2.9 million,

01:22:38.590 --> 01:22:40.590
and then allocate general fund balance to the reserves

01:22:41.539 --> 01:22:43.539
and so with that I open it to questions.

01:22:44.379 --> 01:22:46.299
Thank you.
Before we get into counsel questions or comments quick,

01:22:48.179 --> 01:22:50.179
do we have any public comments on this item?

01:22:50.579 --> 01:22:52.579
Yes, there we have one written comment from Kaylee Mahoney.

01:22:54.299 --> 01:22:55.539
Hello.
This comment is in relation to agenda item 15 15 authorize

01:22:58.619 --> 01:23:00.619
the transfer of unspent funds of approximately $330 million

01:23:04.139 --> 01:23:06.139
thousand dollars from the swimming pool evaluations.

01:23:06.379 --> 01:23:08.379
Project C r 150132 Council Priority

01:23:11.459 --> 01:23:13.459
Projects defined in Council Act in this council action.

01:23:15.219 --> 01:23:17.219
Why are these funds not being used and removed

01:23:18.990 --> 01:23:20.990
for future opportunities for impacted community?

01:23:21.620 --> 01:23:23.500
Here are some facts
that would help our community understand

01:23:24.180 --> 01:23:26.180
having equitable access to pool facilities that create

01:23:27.780 --> 01:23:29.780
an empowered, safe environment through education and athletics.

01:23:31.980 --> 01:23:33.980
Grounding is the number one leading cause of death

01:23:34.200 --> 01:23:36.200
in children ages one to four and 3400 people drown each year.

01:23:39.300 --> 01:23:41.200
It's imperative
that we use these funds to further the water

01:23:41.940 --> 01:23:43.940
safety education in our city and county.

01:23:44.260 --> 01:23:46.420
Given the direct access
to waterways within the neighborhoods,

01:23:47.300 --> 01:23:49.300
we cannot let these facilities that once made Stockton

01:23:49.980 --> 01:23:51.980
one of the top destinations for aquatics.

01:23:52.700 --> 01:23:54.700
I would encourage the city of Stockton to partner with the

01:23:55.100 --> 01:23:57.620
University of the Pacific
as they have a top ranked water polo team in the nation to aid

01:24:00.100 --> 01:24:02.100
in running a program through the city pools.

01:24:02.860 --> 01:24:05.420
It would be a wonderful partnership
that would benefit both the city

01:24:05.940 --> 01:24:07.940
as well as the university athletes and athletics program.

01:24:09.580 --> 01:24:11.580
Thank you for your time. Kelly Mahoney.

01:24:12.341 --> 01:24:14.341
That concludes their public comment.

01:24:14.541 --> 01:24:16.541
Thank you, Councilor accountable.

01:24:17.621 --> 01:24:19.621
I have a few questions.

01:24:20.621 --> 01:24:22.621
So where were our sales tax projections?

01:24:24.621 --> 01:24:26.621
Where we paid for that company to give us projections

01:24:27.861 --> 01:24:29.861
and how off were those.

01:24:33.941 --> 01:24:35.941
So we have sales tax consultants.

01:24:37.501 --> 01:24:39.501
They provided projections in early March of 2020,

01:24:41.341 --> 01:24:43.341
which is what the budget numbers were based on.

01:24:44.981 --> 01:24:46.981
And they, like most

01:24:47.661 --> 01:24:49.661
experts, were kind of wrong about where things were going.

01:24:51.381 --> 01:24:53.741
None of us had experienced
this kind of pandemic or this kind of economic impact.

01:24:56.461 --> 01:24:58.461
And so their projections were what was used in the budget

01:25:00.662 --> 01:25:02.662
and we performed better than that.

01:25:04.262 --> 01:25:06.262
So we had basically an 18% swing.

01:25:06.302 --> 01:25:08.302
So you said -10 is what we projected

01:25:08.782 --> 01:25:10.782
and we were eight above.

01:25:11.102 --> 01:25:13.782
We were. Yes.
So that was 18%. Okay.

01:25:14.102 --> 01:25:16.102
So that was off. So going forward,

01:25:18.422 --> 01:25:20.422
what are we going to use?

01:25:20.462 --> 01:25:22.462
So we always look

01:25:22.622 --> 01:25:24.622
at what they provide to us and

01:25:28.222 --> 01:25:30.222
we, they do a state forecast,

01:25:30.422 --> 01:25:32.422
they do a forecast that's based on our businesses.

01:25:33.422 --> 01:25:35.422
And we also add to that any knowledge and understanding

01:25:36.342 --> 01:25:38.342
of what we know is going on in the city or in the community.

01:25:40.982 --> 01:25:43.182
Business wise.
So it's always something that we're looking at to say, OK,

01:25:46.220 --> 01:25:48.102
we know these are good estimates,
but maybe we need to be more

01:25:48.662 --> 01:25:51.183
conservative because we think something
might change that they're not aware of.

01:25:52.103 --> 01:25:54.103
Or maybe generally they are.

01:25:55.383 --> 01:25:57.383
We don't need to be more aggressive than them.

01:25:59.543 --> 01:26:01.543
OK, and then I just have a couple other questions.

01:26:02.423 --> 01:26:04.423
So the delinquency like of payments for have

01:26:06.630 --> 01:26:08.630
we noticed that that's gotten better

01:26:08.263 --> 01:26:10.903
as far as water and garbage?
So has that trended upwards?

01:26:12.663 --> 01:26:14.663
Do we know from our changes that we've done in.

01:26:18.223 --> 01:26:20.303
It's not a general
fund revenue, so I'm not as well versed on it.

01:26:23.183 --> 01:26:25.183
I don't know if Jay has anything to add.

01:26:26.783 --> 01:26:28.783
So that variable wouldn't help here than what we're looking at.

01:26:30.663 --> 01:26:32.663
Now. That's those are that's outside of it.

01:26:33.863 --> 01:26:35.863
So that's utility fund side of it. OK, all right.

01:26:36.663 --> 01:26:39.183
Thank you.
And then Internet sales.

01:26:39.663 --> 01:26:41.344
So what
percentage of that do we get and how much did that increase,

01:26:44.624 --> 01:26:46.624
as you were saying, went from, say, buying services to buying

01:26:49.144 --> 01:26:51.624
something tangible?
Yeah, our pools had double digit increases

01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:57.640
and it's really kind of difficult to

01:26:59.864 --> 01:27:01.864
to say that all of that's attributed to the pandemic

01:27:03.424 --> 01:27:05.424
or our online sales so

01:27:06.824 --> 01:27:08.824
and it's convoluted where the sales tax dollars go.

01:27:10.504 --> 01:27:12.704
Sometimes they go to a state pool,
sometimes they go to a county pool.

01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:15.640
And then from the county pool, they're distributed to Stockton

01:27:15.744 --> 01:27:17.744
based on our percent of the overall taxes in the county,

01:27:19.624 --> 01:27:22.544
which also varies from quarter to quarter.
So there's no specific amount.

01:27:23.584 --> 01:27:25.584
And what I can tell you is our transaction taxes,

01:27:26.104 --> 01:27:29.240
if you live in the city of Stockton,
you're paying our transaction taxes.

01:27:29.944 --> 01:27:31.944
And those are coming to us for even for online sales.

01:27:34.145 --> 01:27:36.305
Because that was always the question
wherever whoever was buying it was paying our sales tax,

01:27:40.145 --> 01:27:43.105
correct?
Right.
When the sale on the Internet,

01:27:44.425 --> 01:27:46.545
because that was always a question
then who who got the sales tax? Yeah.

01:27:47.785 --> 01:27:49.785
And so most of those businesses have become have

01:27:51.250 --> 01:27:53.250
more technology available and are able to actually track

01:27:54.785 --> 01:27:56.785
you know, where the purchaser lives

01:27:57.305 --> 01:27:59.705
so that the money is going there.
Plus, there is a Supreme Court decision a couple of years ago

01:28:01.425 --> 01:28:03.425
that required that larger businesses

01:28:04.250 --> 01:28:06.650
make sure that that money
is going back to the state where it's originating from,

01:28:09.665 --> 01:28:11.665
which is why we have some state pools that then taxes

01:28:12.785 --> 01:28:14.425
are distributed.
Through and then I know you're cautious on the CalPERS.

01:28:16.650 --> 01:28:18.650
So what rate were you using?

01:28:18.145 --> 01:28:20.145
Because I know we always on the conservative side on that.

01:28:20.506 --> 01:28:22.506
So how much more before we need to change for projections.

01:28:24.546 --> 01:28:26.546
So our long range financial plan assumes is 6.0% discount

01:28:28.866 --> 01:28:30.866
rate return is implemented over a 20 year period.

01:28:32.466 --> 01:28:34.466
So it's it's two factors.

01:28:34.746 --> 01:28:37.306
It's what rate are you assuming
and then how long are they going to take to implement that. So

01:28:40.666 --> 01:28:42.666
in 2011 or 12 we were at

01:28:43.626 --> 01:28:45.626
seven and a half percent and by 20, 23 we'll be at 6.8.

01:28:48.306 --> 01:28:50.306
So you can see that we've done

01:28:51.786 --> 01:28:53.786
there's been a lot of change in the last few years

01:28:54.346 --> 01:28:56.260
and so that's
why we're anticipating that we're going to

01:28:57.426 --> 01:29:00.346
we're building into our long range financial plan
that we're going to go to 6.0% over a 20 year period.

01:29:03.346 --> 01:29:05.346
So the 20 year period started in 2012.

01:29:05.546 --> 01:29:07.546
We're starting now, now starting in 23.

01:29:10.707 --> 01:29:12.707
OK, so that'll be taken into consideration

01:29:13.987 --> 01:29:16.707
and then the last question that I have.
So on the long run

01:29:16.907 --> 01:29:18.907
financial plan, you have the blue that can

01:29:19.307 --> 01:29:21.307
keep the risk in contingency. So

01:29:22.907 --> 01:29:24.907
which one there's two, there's risk based

01:29:25.670 --> 01:29:27.867
and then there's known contingencies.
How does that come into there?

01:29:28.270 --> 01:29:30.227
Because there's a lot more money
in there than it's showing on your graph.

01:29:31.267 --> 01:29:33.267
So the dark blue is where both the risk based

01:29:34.587 --> 01:29:36.587
and the known contingency are included.

01:29:37.867 --> 01:29:39.867
And so those numbers we have the 46.8 in

01:29:41.187 --> 01:29:43.187
known contingency and 5 million in risk based.

01:29:43.507 --> 01:29:46.427
So that's what makes up the blue bar.
The dark blue bar.

01:29:46.747 --> 01:29:48.747
So we're we so then that's the 46.8 and five.

01:29:51.827 --> 01:29:53.827
So that would be for this year. It would be 51.

01:29:54.387 --> 01:29:57.347
Yeah. So OK, so then.
That's right. Perfect. Thank you.

01:30:06.280 --> 01:30:08.508
Vice Mayor Fogarty.
Thank you.

01:30:08.508 --> 01:30:10.508
Well, I love having historic data that I can go back to.

01:30:12.508 --> 01:30:14.508
And I would say our long range financial plan has shifted.

01:30:18.388 --> 01:30:20.388
This is last year's

01:30:21.708 --> 01:30:23.708
that we got during our budget hearing,

01:30:24.388 --> 01:30:26.388
which is different, of course, than what we have now.

01:30:27.988 --> 01:30:29.988
And I pulled up back in 2015 and yes,

01:30:32.308 --> 01:30:34.308
it was much worse future forecast.

01:30:35.748 --> 01:30:37.748
But because of this council's, you know, fiscal concern,

01:30:40.548 --> 01:30:42.548
I would say, you know, restraint, let me use that word.

01:30:45.708 --> 01:30:47.708
We've been able to find ourselves in this place

01:30:48.148 --> 01:30:51.680
with the combination of other factors
that have played into it, us being able to

01:30:53.290 --> 01:30:55.290
take advantage of bonds that have reduced our interest rates,

01:30:57.690 --> 01:30:59.690
you know, being able to get grants

01:30:59.989 --> 01:31:02.709
in order to do projects in our city
that we then didn't have to pay for.

01:31:04.589 --> 01:31:06.589
But we're talking about quite a bit, I think

01:31:07.869 --> 01:31:09.869
quite a bit of money here that we did not plan on at all.

01:31:13.709 --> 01:31:15.709
I know that we had conversations during our budget

01:31:16.669 --> 01:31:18.669
hearings where we said, oh, we think that number

01:31:18.949 --> 01:31:20.949
might be a little off.
We think that we might

01:31:21.469 --> 01:31:24.309
come in a little bit better than we did,
but we don't know until it all comes out in the wash.

01:31:25.589 --> 01:31:28.509
We really don't.
But when I look at the funds

01:31:30.669 --> 01:31:33.429
and when I listen to
public comment and when I hear from constituents,

01:31:36.469 --> 01:31:38.469
I mean, we obviously continue to have many needs in this city.

01:31:40.310 --> 01:31:42.710
Absolutely many needs.
And one of the things

01:31:42.710 --> 01:31:44.710
I really find interesting is when I do look at the target,

01:31:46.990 --> 01:31:48.990
because the target changes, this is an old target.

01:31:49.790 --> 01:31:51.790
This is the last target, not our our current one,

01:31:54.390 --> 01:31:56.310
but how those
numbers shift to because as we

01:31:59.350 --> 01:32:02.110
have more revenue,
we have more expenditures as a result of that.

01:32:04.110 --> 01:32:06.870
Would you agree? Yes.
OK, so after we came out of the bankruptcy and Councilmember

01:32:09.750 --> 01:32:11.750
Wright and I were both here, I mean, our general fund

01:32:13.150 --> 01:32:15.150
was a lot smaller than what it is now.

01:32:18.390 --> 01:32:20.390
And it's part of that as a result

01:32:22.190 --> 01:32:24.190
was us not being able to do the things that we need to do.

01:32:25.550 --> 01:32:27.550
Fortunately, we have SB one funds

01:32:27.670 --> 01:32:29.670
that allow us to do very much needed street repairs.

01:32:31.471 --> 01:32:33.471
But are there streets that still need repairs?

01:32:33.871 --> 01:32:36.551
Absolutely.
And I guess I would say you know,

01:32:38.631 --> 01:32:40.631
I feel like we're continuing on this trend.

01:32:41.911 --> 01:32:43.911
Have we slid back

01:32:44.551 --> 01:32:46.511
in terms of
have we slid back or are we moving forward

01:32:48.271 --> 01:32:50.511
on our line rate transfer?
I'm asking Councilmember Wright, because we've sat here.

01:32:53.710 --> 01:32:56.310
Seems to be moving further.
To pressure, but.

01:32:56.751 --> 01:32:58.751
It seems to be moving further out. Yes.

01:33:00.631 --> 01:33:02.631
And I want to keep that trend going. Yes.

01:33:03.151 --> 01:33:05.151
Obviously, I want to keep that trend going.

01:33:06.710 --> 01:33:08.710
But I also see that we have many needs in our city.

01:33:08.671 --> 01:33:10.671
And I'm appreciative of,

01:33:11.231 --> 01:33:13.231
you know, what the recommendations are.

01:33:13.391 --> 01:33:15.511
Absolutely.
I'm I'm also very curious and I asked this question

01:33:18.710 --> 01:33:20.710
and I got a response.

01:33:20.192 --> 01:33:22.192
I know that the city departments put in 46 million of needs

01:33:24.512 --> 01:33:26.792
that we have in the city,
even though we know we have, what, $1,000,000,000 plus

01:33:28.952 --> 01:33:30.952
in deferred maintenance in the city as well. So I

01:33:34.720 --> 01:33:35.592
guess I'm
looking for a question to ask you

01:33:37.672 --> 01:33:40.472
it's not that I necessarily have a question.
I'm more of a comment because I, I think that we need to do

01:33:43.632 --> 01:33:45.632
some tweaking and some fine tuning of this budget

01:33:47.552 --> 01:33:49.552
and I of what our expenditures are going to be.

01:33:51.912 --> 01:33:53.912
And I would like to hear from the rest of the council

01:33:54.312 --> 01:33:56.312
what your thoughts are on this in terms of

01:33:58.952 --> 01:34:00.952
what we're going to decide tonight, considering too

01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:04.720
that we have a new committee, do we not.

01:34:05.552 --> 01:34:07.632
Yes, we do.
That could take these these items

01:34:09.392 --> 01:34:11.793
and look at some other items
and where

01:34:11.793 --> 01:34:14.593
we're going to appropriate the funds
and how much we're going to appropriate

01:34:17.330 --> 01:34:19.330
so I'll leave it at that for now.

01:34:20.793 --> 01:34:23.330
Councilman, a draw back.
Thank you, Mayor.

01:34:23.233 --> 01:34:26.113
So I'm going to have more questions,
but I have some questions specifically to the slides

01:34:30.153 --> 01:34:32.873
the first one.
And as far as the item seven

01:34:36.393 --> 01:34:38.393
of what we'd be approving would be to allocate

01:34:38.593 --> 01:34:41.593
available fund balance to reserve categories
consistent with the council

01:34:41.713 --> 01:34:43.713
reserve and fund balanced policy, general fund policy.

01:34:47.330 --> 01:34:49.330
So I think maybe help me out because I think this is still

01:34:50.873 --> 01:34:52.873
where maybe I need clarity that that policy.

01:34:54.993 --> 01:34:56.993
Is that a policy, a mandate or is that a recommendation?

01:35:00.874 --> 01:35:02.994
It's a council policy.
So it's the council's policy on what to do with the Reserve,

01:35:06.594 --> 01:35:08.594
with available funds at the end of of of the year

01:35:10.234 --> 01:35:12.234
in that council can take additional actions.

01:35:13.394 --> 01:35:15.394
And so your action of appropriating the 12,

01:35:16.674 --> 01:35:18.674
what's recommended as 12.9 million would happen

01:35:19.714 --> 01:35:21.714
and then the available balance after that is being distributed

01:35:23.114 --> 01:35:25.874
consistent with the Reserve policy which.
Is where the 4246 and 49.

01:35:27.954 --> 01:35:29.954
So part of why I think I struggle a little bit with

01:35:31.794 --> 01:35:33.794
this is the way it feels as though it's being presented

01:35:35.394 --> 01:35:37.394
as though this, these funds will be allocated this way

01:35:39.634 --> 01:35:41.634
and not that it's a recommendation

01:35:41.754 --> 01:35:43.874
and that we can tweak it.
And I think part of my confusion in this happened

01:35:46.754 --> 01:35:48.754
and my all through my years of being on the council is

01:35:49.754 --> 01:35:51.754
the clarity of that is that I can't speak

01:35:52.435 --> 01:35:54.435
for the rest of the council, but I can speak for myself

01:35:55.350 --> 01:35:56.955
as though it
consistently comes forward as though this shall be done.

01:36:00.355 --> 01:36:02.355
And this is a recommendation consistent with a policy

01:36:04.835 --> 01:36:07.755
with a very dire
economic outcome in 20, 20, 12 or 2013.

01:36:10.715 --> 01:36:13.750
And I think that's where I struggle,
especially specifically with that part,

01:36:14.750 --> 01:36:16.750
is that we can tweak those numbers and still be

01:36:18.915 --> 01:36:20.915
saving are nuts for the future.

01:36:23.875 --> 01:36:25.875
And still, while we may not be adhering to

01:36:27.355 --> 01:36:29.355
that council's recommendation, we're still saving money.

01:36:31.515 --> 01:36:33.515
Is that not a fair interpretation of it?

01:36:38.275 --> 01:36:40.275
I, I'm, I don't know if the maybe attorney

01:36:41.516 --> 01:36:43.516
wants to comment on the council policies and

01:36:45.796 --> 01:36:47.796
whether they're thou shall or not.

01:36:48.360 --> 01:36:50.360
Well, council policies are policies

01:36:50.556 --> 01:36:52.556
the Council enacts in order to guide

01:36:54.156 --> 01:36:56.156
staff on matters

01:36:57.876 --> 01:36:59.876
big and small so that staff has has a roadmap for you.

01:37:02.476 --> 01:37:04.476
And so they're not giving you budget recommendations

01:37:06.996 --> 01:37:08.996
ad hoc, but rather the council has made certain broad decisions

01:37:12.516 --> 01:37:14.516
and those decisions are implemented in detail.

01:37:15.836 --> 01:37:18.116
By staff.
And that guides them in preparing the budget.

01:37:20.596 --> 01:37:22.596
Could Council choose to do something different?

01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:25.556
Sure. Absolutely.
I understand, though, that policies oftentimes.

01:37:29.756 --> 01:37:31.756
Are. Based upon reasons that are

01:37:33.437 --> 01:37:36.370
important in reasons that may have
may have seemed more important

01:37:36.437 --> 01:37:38.437
to a council a few years ago than a council now.

01:37:39.437 --> 01:37:41.437
That's the very reason they put it in a policy,

01:37:42.117 --> 01:37:44.917
because when times are tough, we tend to
really focus on on the stuff.

01:37:45.637 --> 01:37:47.637
And when times aren't, we tend not to and get a little looser.

01:37:48.677 --> 01:37:51.370
And I think the policy was written
the way that it is specifically to make sure that in times

01:37:53.717 --> 01:37:55.717
like this that are a little bit richer, that you are reminded

01:37:58.837 --> 01:38:00.837
of what the past dictated.

01:38:02.397 --> 01:38:04.397
And the reason why those goals are put in place.

01:38:04.477 --> 01:38:06.477
But but absolutely you may you may deviate.

01:38:06.637 --> 01:38:08.637
From them if you change and I'm not disputing that.

01:38:08.797 --> 01:38:10.797
I just try to put myself in that council's position.

01:38:12.157 --> 01:38:14.157
When when was this policy written? 20

01:38:15.717 --> 01:38:17.717
13,000 1213 two.

01:38:17.957 --> 01:38:19.957
We did it 2420 1415.

01:38:22.380 --> 01:38:24.380
So in 2015 we're just coming out raising.

01:38:24.780 --> 01:38:26.780
I'm trying to put myself in their seat

01:38:26.718 --> 01:38:28.718
and how I imagine it is, I have a hard time thinking man,

01:38:30.198 --> 01:38:32.198
if we get 60 or $80 million in extra revenue like we want

01:38:34.238 --> 01:38:36.758
this much money to go.
I just have a hard time believing that.

01:38:36.878 --> 01:38:38.878
I think that those decisions were made thinking

01:38:40.318 --> 01:38:42.318
that we're going to see these three to 5% growth

01:38:43.838 --> 01:38:45.998
these more real estate growth.
And, and I'm going to agree with Vice Mayor Fugazi in that

01:38:49.380 --> 01:38:51.380
I, one of the first things I did was went back and grabbed

01:38:52.278 --> 01:38:54.278
my, my long term financial plan that in my three years

01:38:55.678 --> 01:38:57.998
has looked a lot different.
I've seen this, this,

01:38:59.998 --> 01:39:01.998
these lines shift all the way almost out of the picture.

01:39:02.838 --> 01:39:04.838
Where even in my short term on the council,

01:39:06.238 --> 01:39:08.238
those were in the middle, if I'm not mistaken.

01:39:08.958 --> 01:39:11.559
And like three years ago,
we moved them out almost a decade

01:39:12.719 --> 01:39:14.719
just by some of the financial decisions we made.

01:39:14.879 --> 01:39:16.879
And I'm having a hard time.

01:39:17.719 --> 01:39:19.719
So part of when we try to have this conversation about, oh,

01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:23.479
we want to take care of some of the community needs,

01:39:24.959 --> 01:39:26.959
we are reminded, at least I'm reminded

01:39:27.679 --> 01:39:29.679
that don't step back and make a decision that puts

01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:32.399
you back from bankruptcy and I have a hard time

01:39:34.679 --> 01:39:37.119
because this is a responsible council.
I feel like I have a hard time thinking that

01:39:39.599 --> 01:39:41.719
when I look at these long term
financial plans that don't account for 60,

01:39:42.999 --> 01:39:44.999
$80 million in extra revenue, that

01:39:47.159 --> 01:39:49.159
taking taking more of that and not allocating all of it

01:39:49.879 --> 01:39:52.759
based on that policy is going to
put us on a path, especially if we're allocating towards

01:39:54.679 --> 01:39:56.679
projects that would be considered
more one time money would put us back

01:39:57.799 --> 01:39:59.799
towards a path of being a bankruptcy win.

01:40:00.280 --> 01:40:02.440
Without that money
we're not even if we don't have that money

01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:05.760
which this long term financial plan before this is updated,

01:40:07.440 --> 01:40:09.440
without that money we're not even on a

01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:11.800
path of bankruptcy without that money.

01:40:12.200 --> 01:40:14.200
And this, if I'm not mistaken,

01:40:14.400 --> 01:40:16.400
accounts for recessions in this model, correct?

01:40:19.240 --> 01:40:21.800
I'm not sure what version you're looking at.
The Long Range

01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:24.200
Financial Plan is a living document
that we update on a regular basis.

01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:27.680
But all of the models that we've done
have had recessions in them.

01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:30.760
And for the last couple of years, those recessions

01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:33.640
have been consistent. And since

01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:35.920
the pandemic, we changed the recession at that point.

01:40:36.240 --> 01:40:38.240
Since then, it's been consistent.

01:40:38.360 --> 01:40:40.360
So far with the point I'm making is every model we've looked

01:40:41.360 --> 01:40:43.360
at includes a recession in that in that lifespan.

01:40:46.120 --> 01:40:48.200
So I think we still have like
two or three more recessions within this model.

01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:52.321
It's every seven years, I think, is
what what we anticipate is every.

01:40:53.410 --> 01:40:55.410
Seven years with the first one being in 20.

01:40:55.761 --> 01:40:57.761
I'm let me double check

01:40:59.361 --> 01:41:01.681
but yeah, it's every seven years.
So and that just goes back to I,

01:41:03.801 --> 01:41:05.801
I think we're already trying to be prudent with without even

01:41:06.641 --> 01:41:08.641
considering this extra revenue about our long term financial

01:41:12.241 --> 01:41:14.241
prowess are our responsibility in that we've, we've

01:41:17.721 --> 01:41:19.721
and you who I think is amazing I think you're amazing

01:41:20.641 --> 01:41:22.161
I tell you that
I remind you publicly and privately all the time

01:41:24.561 --> 01:41:26.961
but on the other side
we're the ones hearing these things and we have to

01:41:28.681 --> 01:41:30.641
make those decisions.
And I'm going to go

01:41:30.881 --> 01:41:32.881
knock on doors and tell people, hey, this is what I want to do.

01:41:33.121 --> 01:41:35.121
And the last thing I want to tell people is, don't worry.

01:41:35.681 --> 01:41:37.681
Like we're going to be above the 16.7%.

01:41:38.841 --> 01:41:40.841
But that that pool you want to take your kid to or

01:41:42.200 --> 01:41:44.602
pixie was that your car got broken
too last time because we

01:41:45.200 --> 01:41:47.722
we don't have any security out there
like that's a hard

01:41:47.722 --> 01:41:49.722
that's a hard thing for me to tell people who constantly

01:41:50.420 --> 01:41:52.420
those are things that are that are people are telling me

01:41:53.200 --> 01:41:55.200
I think one other question

01:41:55.242 --> 01:41:57.322
are the comment I was going to make
was when we looked in accounts from Canada brought up

01:42:00.442 --> 01:42:02.442
that 18% swing and I keep thinking about this

01:42:04.820 --> 01:42:06.820
a lot and what in reality what that is to me

01:42:08.162 --> 01:42:10.162
I have to two more but the 18% swing is really

01:42:13.202 --> 01:42:16.200
a decision we made because of COVID.
And that decision resulted in

01:42:17.922 --> 01:42:19.922
the city of Stockton providing less to our community.

01:42:21.602 --> 01:42:23.602
And I think I think that that's a decision we made consciously.

01:42:25.922 --> 01:42:27.922
But now we're in a position where we have the money

01:42:28.842 --> 01:42:30.842
and we have that same decision to make.

01:42:30.963 --> 01:42:32.963
Do we think like, hey, what could we have done?

01:42:33.483 --> 01:42:35.830
Or do we?
We followed that policy to a tee,

01:42:35.643 --> 01:42:38.563
and I think that's a little bit where I'm torn
because those were conscious

01:42:39.123 --> 01:42:41.123
decisions that we made as a council

01:42:41.283 --> 01:42:43.283
to tell the public, hey, we're we have a recession coming,

01:42:45.363 --> 01:42:47.363
so we're going to anticipate less.

01:42:47.483 --> 01:42:50.830
We're going to do less for you.
And we did that consciously.

01:42:51.300 --> 01:42:53.300
And here we have an opportunity to do right and do things.

01:42:55.163 --> 01:42:57.163
The last question I have and I had asked about it

01:42:57.963 --> 01:42:59.963
when we did our budget, these models,

01:43:00.963 --> 01:43:02.963
I know we've been getting some significant money

01:43:03.723 --> 01:43:05.723
from the from the feds, like the ARPA funds for

01:43:07.203 --> 01:43:09.203
reimbursement that I had asked, and I could be mistaken.

01:43:10.203 --> 01:43:12.203
But the last long term
financial plan did not incorporate those funds into it.

01:43:14.603 --> 01:43:16.603
So does this model incorporate those millions of dollars?

01:43:17.483 --> 01:43:19.483
So no, we're required to track the federal money separate

01:43:20.964 --> 01:43:23.840
from our general fund.
And so the discussion that Council

01:43:25.840 --> 01:43:27.840
has had on the federal money and how it will be spent,

01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:30.884
all of that, that's where that's going.
And it's in a separate fund apart from the general fund.

01:43:32.164 --> 01:43:34.364
So it's not part of the.
We all those things can affect that graph at all.

01:43:36.684 --> 01:43:38.684
So there's two ways they can affect this graph.

01:43:39.404 --> 01:43:41.964
And we've seen a little bit
with the cares money that came through,

01:43:43.444 --> 01:43:45.364
but it's not anything
I can give you a dollar amount for one thing, as we buy things

01:43:47.404 --> 01:43:49.404
and then we have to pay maintenance or we have to pay

01:43:50.164 --> 01:43:52.484
some kind of service on them.
And so we see an ongoing cost

01:43:53.400 --> 01:43:55.400
that adds expenses to our long range financial plan.

01:43:56.644 --> 01:43:58.644
The other thing is that we have city staff focused on the

01:44:01.884 --> 01:44:04.124
the special
federal funds and maybe there's some cost savings

01:44:06.284 --> 01:44:08.324
because they're doing something
that's eligible for those federal funds

01:44:09.204 --> 01:44:11.204
and they would normally be paid out of the general fund,

01:44:12.500 --> 01:44:14.500
but because they're providing covered services,

01:44:14.845 --> 01:44:16.845
there might be expenses charged elsewhere.

01:44:17.165 --> 01:44:19.165
And one of the things that just jumps right out

01:44:19.285 --> 01:44:21.285
at me is like one thing really specific is

01:44:22.365 --> 01:44:24.365
did we did we allocate funds out of the ARPA funds

01:44:26.365 --> 01:44:28.365
to reimburse ourself for lost revenues?

01:44:31.205 --> 01:44:33.205
There's a piece of the ARPA money that is for lost revenues.

01:44:34.805 --> 01:44:36.805
The general fund revenues

01:44:37.500 --> 01:44:39.500
are not going to the general fund is not

01:44:40.845 --> 01:44:42.845
a driver of the revenue loss citywide

01:44:44.500 --> 01:44:46.500
because it is a city wide calculation.

01:44:46.245 --> 01:44:48.205
And I completely understand that.
And the reason I bring that up

01:44:48.485 --> 01:44:50.485
is because that was over $1,000,000.

01:44:51.765 --> 01:44:54.605
We're not mistaken.
And I would think that

01:44:54.605 --> 01:44:56.605
$1,000,000 that we for sure allocated

01:44:57.165 --> 01:44:59.165
as part of the recession in that model is now going to

01:45:01.886 --> 01:45:03.886
basically cancel itself out, I would think, because now

01:45:04.446 --> 01:45:06.446
we're not going to see that loss of $1,000,000 of revenue

01:45:06.966 --> 01:45:08.966
that we calculated to that model, which will now be gained.

01:45:09.966 --> 01:45:11.966
So that should shift, I would think, shift that up

01:45:12.566 --> 01:45:15.366
just even that little item,
an amount that should be that wasn't impacted.

01:45:17.460 --> 01:45:19.646
Is that fair?
Not necessarily a million to a million, but you should see

01:45:21.646 --> 01:45:23.806
that impact that we had.
We thought we were going to lose

01:45:24.366 --> 01:45:26.366
that much money, but now we're able to get it

01:45:26.566 --> 01:45:28.766
because we modeled it.
So we've built into the model the actual revenues through

01:45:30.526 --> 01:45:32.806
the end of the last fiscal year
and projected revenues for this year.

01:45:33.726 --> 01:45:35.726
So they don't incorporate that revenue loss

01:45:37.726 --> 01:45:40.326
for a.
Billion dollars that we're going to be
in revenue losses if it's going to on top of that.

01:45:43.206 --> 01:45:45.206
Most of the revenue loss that will be covered

01:45:45.286 --> 01:45:47.286
by ARPA is not general fund.

01:45:49.566 --> 01:45:52.327
And this is OK, I get it.
I will have other private questions,

01:45:52.887 --> 01:45:54.887
but that's not trivial. Thank you.

01:45:56.287 --> 01:45:58.287
Thank you, Councilmember. Right

01:45:58.687 --> 01:46:00.687
so not really any questions, just some comments here.

01:46:02.487 --> 01:46:03.687
You know,
I was around when we crafted the Reserve policy and I

01:46:06.647 --> 01:46:08.647
remember a lot of the discussion that we had back then.

01:46:10.647 --> 01:46:12.647
And, you know, one of the discussions was

01:46:13.167 --> 01:46:15.167
there are going to be times when there are going

01:46:15.847 --> 01:46:17.847
to be political pressures to spend money.

01:46:19.567 --> 01:46:21.567
And sometimes

01:46:21.807 --> 01:46:23.807
we'll have to respond to those political pressures.

01:46:24.967 --> 01:46:26.967
But we should also have a target

01:46:28.287 --> 01:46:30.287
of what we're trying to to save for.

01:46:31.327 --> 01:46:33.327
And when the money comes to us

01:46:34.527 --> 01:46:36.527
that we allocate what we can to the greatest ability

01:46:39.607 --> 01:46:41.607
we can while still providing services to our public.

01:46:45.208 --> 01:46:47.208
So we know we're not meeting.

01:46:48.168 --> 01:46:50.168
There's no way we can restore services to

01:46:51.928 --> 01:46:54.928
pre Great Recession levels right now.
We just don't have the funds to be able

01:46:55.688 --> 01:46:58.608
to do that in any way, shape or form.
But we can do more

01:47:00.608 --> 01:47:02.768
My concern
is the generality of comments.

01:47:04.808 --> 01:47:06.808
I mean, I'm willing to look at specific projects

01:47:10.648 --> 01:47:12.648
and if there are specific projects

01:47:13.648 --> 01:47:15.648
that fit into the categories that we're looking at and

01:47:19.528 --> 01:47:21.528
they've been unfilled in the past, you know, that

01:47:22.728 --> 01:47:24.728
there is an appropriate balance among council districts.

01:47:25.528 --> 01:47:27.528
Is an appropriate balance among department levels?

01:47:28.808 --> 01:47:30.808
No, no, one council district or no one department is getting

01:47:33.890 --> 01:47:35.890
an overwhelming amount of them,

01:47:36.969 --> 01:47:38.969
as many citywide restorations as possible.

01:47:39.849 --> 01:47:41.849
I'm a big fan of, you know, it's it it makes us all look good.

01:47:47.900 --> 01:47:48.849
But I
remain concerned about the looming pension liability.

01:47:51.890 --> 01:47:53.890
And I see nothing, you know, hearing now that the

01:47:55.289 --> 01:47:57.289
the discount rate is moving to 6.8

01:47:59.289 --> 01:48:01.289
is is

01:48:01.889 --> 01:48:03.969
good news, bad news.
You know, it could have been worse

01:48:04.409 --> 01:48:06.409
and it likely will be at some point in time.

01:48:07.609 --> 01:48:09.609
And, you know, we've planned for that

01:48:14.649 --> 01:48:16.649
I'm again, so when we look at this

01:48:17.489 --> 01:48:19.489
and we talk about what do we do when we have a carryover

01:48:24.730 --> 01:48:27.730
we know we don't have enough in our pension trust
fund right now for our expected pension liabilities.

01:48:29.890 --> 01:48:32.570
That's correct.
OK, and and that target changes

01:48:36.930 --> 01:48:39.890
obviously for a number of reasons.
We have

01:48:41.450 --> 01:48:43.450
decisions that are made at the PERS level

01:48:44.100 --> 01:48:46.100
we have decisions that are made at the investment level.

01:48:47.570 --> 01:48:50.290
And all of that changes our numbers around.
And I get that numbers will change.

01:48:51.250 --> 01:48:53.250
I just want as transparent an understanding of that

01:48:54.330 --> 01:48:56.330
as possible with my non-financial mind. So

01:49:02.490 --> 01:49:04.490
so again, I'm

01:49:04.530 --> 01:49:06.530
I'm open to discussions about how to spend money.

01:49:07.330 --> 01:49:09.330
But but the equity has got to be there you know, in terms

01:49:11.211 --> 01:49:13.211
of, of, of if we open this back up

01:49:15.131 --> 01:49:17.131
above, you know, what we've already looked at

01:49:17.371 --> 01:49:19.371
with the 12.9 million and and I would urge

01:49:21.171 --> 01:49:23.171
extreme caution because we don't know

01:49:26.731 --> 01:49:28.731
we certainly didn't expect the windfall

01:49:29.171 --> 01:49:31.171
that we got this year,

01:49:31.651 --> 01:49:33.651
but that those unexpected changes go the other way too.

01:49:37.491 --> 01:49:39.491
And I want to make sure that we're we're safe

01:49:42.211 --> 01:49:44.331
for the long term.
You know we can we were stood one bankruptcy

01:49:46.171 --> 01:49:48.171
and some would say it's somewhat in some ways where

01:49:50.110 --> 01:49:52.110
we've come out of it very strong.

01:49:53.251 --> 01:49:56.510
But we couldn't withstand
another bankruptcy in no way shape or form.

01:49:58.451 --> 01:50:00.451
So I it's

01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:03.452
I just urge caution.
And if there is a need for more projects let's talk about them.

01:50:07.452 --> 01:50:09.452
But but I

01:50:11.132 --> 01:50:13.692
I'm OK with the projects
as they stand right now the 12.9 if there

01:50:17.812 --> 01:50:19.812
I have a couple obviously a couple of parks in my

01:50:20.372 --> 01:50:22.372
my district that could use completion.

01:50:23.852 --> 01:50:25.852
You know that

01:50:27.132 --> 01:50:29.132
and and tree cutting and all of those things.

01:50:31.652 --> 01:50:33.652
OK we've got some tree cutting in which was I think

01:50:35.892 --> 01:50:37.892
in the most critical area around around intersections.

01:50:39.972 --> 01:50:41.972
You know, that's going to save us money in the long run.

01:50:42.172 --> 01:50:44.172
Not having million dollar payouts for

01:50:45.120 --> 01:50:47.120
people running stop signs that they can't see.

01:50:47.972 --> 01:50:49.972
So again,

01:50:52.530 --> 01:50:54.530
my ears are open

01:50:54.333 --> 01:50:56.893
the be cautious.
This is this is important that that we set this reserve

01:50:59.813 --> 01:51:01.813
fund for a reason and it passed unanimously.

01:51:03.693 --> 01:51:05.693
I believe there was 61 if not six

01:51:06.933 --> 01:51:08.933
it was a firm decision by the council at the time.

01:51:11.893 --> 01:51:13.893
And I think we were

01:51:15.173 --> 01:51:17.173
right minded in setting that target

01:51:17.613 --> 01:51:19.613
and setting the the policy.

01:51:20.453 --> 01:51:22.453
I just

01:51:23.130 --> 01:51:25.373
want to make sure that
when we make a decision to waiver

01:51:26.333 --> 01:51:28.333
from that policy, that we do so with sound reasoning.

01:51:28.893 --> 01:51:30.893
Thank you.

01:51:32.293 --> 01:51:34.813
Councilmember Canva.
Um, for me, it's, it's the hardest part

01:51:37.773 --> 01:51:39.773
of do you spend the money now?

01:51:40.654 --> 01:51:43.214
Or do you spend the money later?
So going through bankruptcy, one of the hardest parts

01:51:46.414 --> 01:51:48.414
was taking away retiree health care

01:51:51.214 --> 01:51:53.814
and so we
as an organization, that's always the fine medium is

01:51:56.694 --> 01:51:58.694
where you provide tax payers services.

01:52:01.894 --> 01:52:04.774
And we're, we provide our commitment
to our employees as an organization.

01:52:05.934 --> 01:52:07.934
So that's the hardest part for me

01:52:08.214 --> 01:52:10.214
because all of these people I mean, yeah, trees trimmed

01:52:12.494 --> 01:52:14.494
the park playground equipment, which we're getting new stuff

01:52:15.934 --> 01:52:17.934
at Swensen for the person that asked earlier

01:52:18.374 --> 01:52:20.374
that's on the list so so those are the that's the hardest part.

01:52:22.254 --> 01:52:24.254
And this is more of a statement than a question for you.

01:52:25.414 --> 01:52:27.414
So as an elected where we were at then and where we're at now,

01:52:30.940 --> 01:52:32.940
you still have a lot of years before it gets better.

01:52:34.615 --> 01:52:36.615
So the changes that have been made through the two stages

01:52:39.135 --> 01:52:41.455
has been helpful,
but also,

01:52:41.455 --> 01:52:43.455
you know, retaining employees and making sure

01:52:44.415 --> 01:52:47.255
if people want to come here to work.
So there's more to it than just what everybody thinks,

01:52:48.935 --> 01:52:50.935
that we can just swing a wand and get every street

01:52:52.415 --> 01:52:54.415
repaved and every, you know, sidewalk redone.

01:52:56.655 --> 01:52:59.255
And for me, I think it's
important too, that we as much money

01:52:59.975 --> 01:53:01.975
as we can allow for tree trimming because it's not cheap.

01:53:03.775 --> 01:53:05.775
And I also understand that we used to have tree crews,

01:53:06.375 --> 01:53:08.375
but it's very hard on bodies and equipment.

01:53:10.935 --> 01:53:12.935
And so how do you go back to that

01:53:13.150 --> 01:53:15.150
or do you do you start your own tree crews

01:53:15.215 --> 01:53:18.175
or is it better to farm it out?
So those are questions

01:53:18.335 --> 01:53:20.335
as a as a council you need to figure out going forward.

01:53:22.416 --> 01:53:24.936
You know, we used to do this,
the maintenance at the parks, and then we got out of

01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:28.336
the maintenance of the parks.
So is that making us, you know, more fiscally sound

01:53:32.576 --> 01:53:34.576
by those decisions that we've made in the past

01:53:35.176 --> 01:53:37.176
are things that need to be looked at, you know what I mean?

01:53:37.256 --> 01:53:39.856
So, hey, we did this.
The outcome was this.

01:53:40.416 --> 01:53:42.416
So we did this policy, the Reserve policy,

01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:45.136
and we have this.
So then it's like, but hey, I'm Joe Taxpayer.

01:53:46.536 --> 01:53:48.536
I'm paying taxes. I want services now.

01:53:49.176 --> 01:53:51.176
So that for me is the hardest part is where you balance it.

01:53:53.496 --> 01:53:55.776
But we do have commitments
to our employees as far as retention,

01:53:56.856 --> 01:53:58.856
and they you know, retirements that we've committed to

01:54:00.616 --> 01:54:03.496
because in the past we have taken something away
that we promised, and that's not good either.

01:54:04.896 --> 01:54:06.896
So for me, I am on that.

01:54:07.496 --> 01:54:09.496
The more cautious side because there's still a lot of

01:54:10.657 --> 01:54:13.537
lean years going out.
And my goal is always leave something better than when

01:54:15.977 --> 01:54:18.377
I got here.
And so for me, I think that's important.

01:54:19.897 --> 01:54:22.577
So I don't know for the other council members.
So I'm a little more on the conservative side

01:54:24.137 --> 01:54:26.137
and if it does get better in the future, but

01:54:26.857 --> 01:54:28.857
when things are lean for so long and how many years did

01:54:30.377 --> 01:54:32.377
we misspend to get us to bankruptcy was years also.

01:54:34.817 --> 01:54:36.817
So then getting out of bankruptcy is also years.

01:54:38.977 --> 01:54:40.977
And as Dan spoke to, you know, some of the things.

01:54:41.657 --> 01:54:43.657
Yeah, there's more that I would love to see on the list.

01:54:44.857 --> 01:54:46.857
And I mean, but it's pretty equitable district wise.

01:54:47.857 --> 01:54:49.857
And so I mean, I think right now to err on the side of caution

01:54:51.817 --> 01:54:54.617
and so that we don't have battles all up here
because everybody want something for their district

01:54:55.417 --> 01:54:57.417
or their constituents and I think I'm good with it, too.

01:55:01.580 --> 01:55:03.580
Councilmember Walmsley.

01:55:03.258 --> 01:55:06.980
Thank you, Mayor.
I really side with what councilmember

01:55:08.258 --> 01:55:10.258
right and Councilmember kind of was speaking on.

01:55:11.180 --> 01:55:13.180
Also, we want to remind us that we are still in a pandemic

01:55:14.338 --> 01:55:16.338
and we don't know what is going to happen.

01:55:17.938 --> 01:55:19.938
I mean, flu season coming up.

01:55:20.180 --> 01:55:22.180
There's anticipate there's an anticipated surge

01:55:24.378 --> 01:55:26.378
earlier today, even in our conversations

01:55:26.698 --> 01:55:28.698
within ourselves as peers, we talked about inflation

01:55:30.578 --> 01:55:32.578
and what that may or may not look like.

01:55:33.578 --> 01:55:35.578
So I am concerned about that with projects.

01:55:36.178 --> 01:55:38.178
You know, couple of weeks ago we just talked about City Hall

01:55:39.938 --> 01:55:41.938
needing more money to develop because of inflation,

01:55:44.180 --> 01:55:46.180
of cost of production tools, equipment, et cetera.

01:55:48.698 --> 01:55:50.698
So I think that we need to be mindful of that and still have

01:55:53.190 --> 01:55:55.190
a disciplinary lens when we look at this.

01:55:56.659 --> 01:55:58.659
And then lastly,

01:55:59.939 --> 01:56:02.739
I do agree that there are
many community members

01:56:02.939 --> 01:56:04.939
who are suffering right now and could could use

01:56:06.590 --> 01:56:08.659
some additional support.
But when we talk about equality, equality for whom

01:56:12.179 --> 01:56:14.179
tonight we heard a lot about aquatics and swimming.

01:56:15.179 --> 01:56:17.179
Well, this year, five and six and four

01:56:19.190 --> 01:56:21.579
we we would love to see a pool.
We haven't seen a pool in decades.

01:56:23.459 --> 01:56:25.459
But however, is that a realistic investment right now?

01:56:29.259 --> 01:56:32.190
So we have to kind of make it
ensure that we're taking and looking at this in a balanced

01:56:34.859 --> 01:56:36.859
and disciplinary lens, because we don't want to

01:56:39.139 --> 01:56:41.139
overexert ourselves.

01:56:41.460 --> 01:56:43.380
But at the same time,
we want to be helpful to all of our districts

01:56:45.820 --> 01:56:48.260
in a very equitable way.
So that's pretty much where I'm at.

01:56:49.540 --> 01:56:51.540
I'm open up for discussions and negotiations on how we

01:56:52.620 --> 01:56:54.620
can do that.

01:56:55.140 --> 01:56:57.780
Vice Mayor Fogarty.
Thank you, Mayor.

01:56:57.780 --> 01:57:00.420
So I have a couple of questions
about the projects for funding consideration.

01:57:04.100 --> 01:57:06.100
First of all, I would like to let Pixie Woods know

01:57:07.140 --> 01:57:09.140
that there's $450,000 on here for projects at Pixie Woods.

01:57:12.700 --> 01:57:14.700
I wasn't sure if they saw that or not.

01:57:15.180 --> 01:57:18.140
Some of them I think did,
but one of them is a full replacement of the bridge

01:57:20.500 --> 01:57:22.500
there, even though I painted it to a couple of months ago.

01:57:25.420 --> 01:57:27.580
At least it looks nice.
But yeah, definitely we want to make sure it's safe, but

01:57:32.261 --> 01:57:35.261
Miss Massey, can I ask you a couple questions
about some of your items on here?

01:57:36.181 --> 01:57:38.181
First one, I know we're talking about tree trimming,

01:57:39.661 --> 01:57:41.661
tree trimming at intersection though.

01:57:43.341 --> 01:57:45.341
That is a very what percentage of our tree

01:57:46.581 --> 01:57:48.581
canopy actually is that at our intersections?

01:57:49.861 --> 01:57:51.861
I mean, that's that's maybe what, 10%,

01:57:53.861 --> 01:57:55.861
less than 10% of our trees.

01:57:57.261 --> 01:57:59.261
Yeah. So you're going to make me do some dirty math here.

01:57:59.661 --> 01:58:02.101
Well, into your microphone, please.
You got it.

01:58:02.101 --> 01:58:04.101
So, Jody, I'm asking public works directors

01:58:04.181 --> 01:58:06.781
and doing just quick and dirty math.
We have about 700 stop controlled intersections.

01:58:08.781 --> 01:58:10.781
We assumed eight trees per intersection.

01:58:11.101 --> 01:58:13.141
That's roughly 50.
600 trees is what we're estimating.

01:58:16.501 --> 01:58:18.501
It's a starting point.

01:58:18.621 --> 01:58:20.621
It's not all of our urban forest our urban forests is around.

01:58:22.782 --> 01:58:24.782
We're estimating 92,000 trees at this point.

01:58:25.382 --> 01:58:27.382
Wow. Yeah, that's, that's a big difference.

01:58:28.702 --> 01:58:30.702
And I will tell you it's

01:58:31.742 --> 01:58:33.742
and I'm sure everybody knows this, it's not just the trees.

01:58:34.502 --> 01:58:37.342
So there was a car accident, Willow, in
Lincoln Street the other night.

01:58:38.182 --> 01:58:40.182
We didn't even hear

01:58:40.742 --> 01:58:42.942
the car skid.
You know, usually when somebody's

01:58:43.862 --> 01:58:45.862
about to be accident, you slam on your brakes.

01:58:46.622 --> 01:58:48.622
But there was a three car accident at the intersection

01:58:50.220 --> 01:58:52.220
the the driver ran the stop sign.

01:58:52.622 --> 01:58:54.622
There's no tree, though, in front of that stop sign.

01:58:55.302 --> 01:58:57.862
You can't read it really on the street.
I don't know if people are reading it or not reading it.

01:58:59.222 --> 01:59:01.222
But when I look at overall, what are

01:59:02.342 --> 01:59:04.342
what are the things that expose us as a city liability wise?

01:59:08.382 --> 01:59:10.382
How many trees have dropped in this city?

01:59:11.223 --> 01:59:13.223
And people have put in claims because it's a city tree

01:59:15.383 --> 01:59:17.383
and it's landed on their car, it's landed on their house.

01:59:19.343 --> 01:59:21.343
I mean, we get those, correct?

01:59:21.463 --> 01:59:23.463
Absolutely.

01:59:23.583 --> 01:59:25.630
Yeah.
And so I know that I heard a number of people

01:59:27.743 --> 01:59:29.743
that commented on on those city trees,

01:59:31.383 --> 01:59:33.383
what would be the cost

01:59:34.263 --> 01:59:36.263
if we were to do a cycle where because I know you don't do them

01:59:38.343 --> 01:59:40.343
all in one year because I in my house that I was

01:59:42.630 --> 01:59:44.630
on the cycle where the city would come out and trim.

01:59:46.463 --> 01:59:48.463
And when I first moved in, I had one time

01:59:49.743 --> 01:59:51.783
where they came, the city
came out and trimmed my trees when I first bought it

01:59:54.703 --> 01:59:56.703
in the house that I live in

01:59:57.103 --> 01:59:59.103
currently so how frequently

02:00:01.344 --> 02:00:03.344
were the trees trimmed?

02:00:03.464 --> 02:00:05.464
So I don't know historically, but industry standard

02:00:06.344 --> 02:00:08.344
is typically a five year cycle,

02:00:09.240 --> 02:00:11.240
so you will want to try to do something on a five year cycle.

02:00:11.544 --> 02:00:13.544
I know when we were running through different exercises

02:00:15.384 --> 02:00:17.384
and talking with the city manager

02:00:17.504 --> 02:00:19.504
we were looking at spreading it out over a seven year cycle

02:00:21.624 --> 02:00:23.624
when we were exploring the cost and what we came up with.

02:00:25.464 --> 02:00:27.464
It's roughly a little over 13,000 trees

02:00:28.864 --> 02:00:30.864
per year on a seven year cycle.

02:00:31.584 --> 02:00:34.544
That's how much per year?
About 13,200

02:00:36.584 --> 02:00:38.584
per year. On a seven year cycle.

02:00:39.184 --> 02:00:41.184
That cost is 2.6 million per year.

02:00:46.224 --> 02:00:48.224
Would it be not then worth it

02:00:48.344 --> 02:00:50.344
even to think about like a ten year cycle or no,

02:00:55.265 --> 02:00:57.265
because we're already stretching it from the industry standard.

02:00:59.145 --> 02:01:01.145
If I may, Vice Mayor, again,

02:01:03.505 --> 02:01:05.505
you need to think about this money as one time money.

02:01:07.425 --> 02:01:09.345
So I know.
So I realize that.

02:01:11.705 --> 02:01:13.705
OK, let's move on to the next thing.

02:01:13.745 --> 02:01:15.745
Sidewalks again.

02:01:16.745 --> 02:01:18.745
Do we receive claims on sidewalks

02:01:18.785 --> 02:01:20.785
because they're in disrepair?

02:01:22.505 --> 02:01:24.385
Always?
Yes. Actually, I got a picture from

02:01:27.265 --> 02:01:29.265
Councilwoman Lenses constituent

02:01:29.505 --> 02:01:31.505
who's all black and blue all black and blue

02:01:34.305 --> 02:01:36.305
face planted it tripping over a sidewalk.

02:01:37.465 --> 02:01:39.465
The person's disabled

02:01:40.146 --> 02:01:42.986
and yeah, I mean, it's
an issue throughout the city, correct?

02:01:44.986 --> 02:01:46.546
Yeah.
As you're well aware, we have a backlog.

02:01:47.826 --> 02:01:49.826
I think we're trending at about 600 locations

02:01:51.346 --> 02:01:53.346
for sidewalk removal and replacement.

02:01:53.706 --> 02:01:55.706
600. About 600, I think.

02:01:57.466 --> 02:02:00.306
OK, and what would be the cost
then for a sidewalks.

02:02:03.626 --> 02:02:05.626
So sidewalks to catch a that.

02:02:05.906 --> 02:02:07.906
You're looking at $8 million. OK,

02:02:10.506 --> 02:02:12.826
uh, and
the reason I bring things like this up

02:02:15.306 --> 02:02:17.306
is because I think we have an obligation

02:02:19.146 --> 02:02:21.146
to maintain our roads, you know, our streets,

02:02:22.146 --> 02:02:24.146
our sidewalks, and to some extent our trees.

02:02:26.866 --> 02:02:28.866
I know people had mentioned two roads with signage, stop

02:02:30.707 --> 02:02:32.707
signs, the paving of the, you know, message.

02:02:36.187 --> 02:02:38.187
You know, if, like I said, stop or the crosswalk lines, making

02:02:39.267 --> 02:02:41.267
sure that they have their those down as well.

02:02:49.187 --> 02:02:51.187
The traffic on Pershing, I know that was brought up.

02:02:51.787 --> 02:02:53.787
I know we've gotten one of those grants for that

02:02:57.427 --> 02:02:59.427
to put in a system there.

02:03:01.267 --> 02:03:03.267
But do we have any traffic study that might be going on there

02:03:05.467 --> 02:03:07.387
in addition to that
in terms of trying to besides that to slow the traffic down?

02:03:09.867 --> 02:03:11.867
No. So right now we kind of did just a preliminary

02:03:12.347 --> 02:03:14.347
traffic assessment out there with the community members.

02:03:14.707 --> 02:03:16.670
And we know
that Caltrans is active working with the community members

02:03:18.547 --> 02:03:20.547
with regard to that off ramp.

02:03:20.828 --> 02:03:22.828
So I think right now our main focus is to deliver

02:03:24.468 --> 02:03:26.708
that's the AP project.
It's the eight hawks.

02:03:27.468 --> 02:03:30.468
At different locations, one of them being right
adjacent to Victory Park.

02:03:31.908 --> 02:03:33.668
I think long.
Term, what our city traffic engineers talked about

02:03:35.668 --> 02:03:38.388
is what we probably need to look to in
the future is probably a precise road plan for Pershing Avenue

02:03:41.188 --> 02:03:43.188
that addresses that holistically.

02:03:43.588 --> 02:03:45.588
OK, and in terms of the pools, because that's been

02:03:47.308 --> 02:03:49.308
that was something that was mentioned over and over again,

02:03:50.628 --> 02:03:52.628
I would like nothing more than to have Victory Park Pool done

02:03:53.988 --> 02:03:55.988
that would add at least a couple of lanes, hopefully,

02:03:58.280 --> 02:04:00.280
and some recreation, swimming

02:04:01.668 --> 02:04:03.668
what what is the potential

02:04:05.828 --> 02:04:07.828
best case or should I ask for worst case

02:04:08.308 --> 02:04:10.308
scenario completion date on something like that?

02:04:12.349 --> 02:04:14.349
I might need Director Dave Lee to help me.

02:04:14.469 --> 02:04:16.469
So I think our team right now is in the early throes of design

02:04:19.549 --> 02:04:22.229
but I can't remember if our ETA
is still another couple of years beyond the one year of design.

02:04:25.229 --> 02:04:27.749
Is that about what you recall?
That's what we've been told, yeah.

02:04:28.109 --> 02:04:30.109
So we're looking still about three years

02:04:30.669 --> 02:04:32.669
of our complete delivery of a project like that.

02:04:33.869 --> 02:04:35.709
Mr. Lee, since
you're here, I have a couple questions for you.

02:04:37.829 --> 02:04:39.829
I want to make sure I get you in here tonight.

02:04:40.509 --> 02:04:42.509
So one of the things that I've brought up repeatedly,

02:04:44.829 --> 02:04:47.469
and I know Councilwoman
Wamsley as well, is, you know, stuff for our youth

02:04:49.749 --> 02:04:51.749
who've been deeply impacted by this pandemic

02:04:54.669 --> 02:04:56.669
and things like I see the Van Buskirk, Jim for replacement.

02:05:00.390 --> 02:05:02.310
This is the second time
it's been replaced since I've been on council.

02:05:04.270 --> 02:05:06.270
I think that the life of them should be a little bit longer.

02:05:07.350 --> 02:05:09.350
I realize that things sometimes happen

02:05:11.470 --> 02:05:13.470
that are very unfortunate,

02:05:13.990 --> 02:05:15.990
but having a city there used to be a citywide

02:05:17.430 --> 02:05:19.430
like Middle School basketball league for sixth, seventh

02:05:21.700 --> 02:05:23.270
and eighth graders,
because right now I see a lot of playgrounds on this list.

02:05:25.390 --> 02:05:28.310
But playgrounds are. For.
Kind of the younger crowd.

02:05:29.350 --> 02:05:31.350
We really don't have anything, you know,

02:05:33.300 --> 02:05:35.270
that is organized.
And I will tell you, I get approached daily

02:05:37.750 --> 02:05:39.750
at the high school that I work at saying, you know,

02:05:40.470 --> 02:05:43.700
what are we going to do stuff for the kids?
Are we going to do stuff for the kids?

02:05:43.310 --> 02:05:45.310
And I try to go through a list of things, well,

02:05:45.630 --> 02:05:48.550
we've done this, we've done this, we've done this.
It's never enough.

02:05:49.470 --> 02:05:51.470
But that middle school basketball league, Junior

02:05:52.351 --> 02:05:54.351
Giants Little League was really popular.

02:05:55.551 --> 02:05:57.551
I don't know how we we get that up and going again,

02:06:01.351 --> 02:06:03.710
how we
I mean, I don't know if it's a matter of funding or whatnot,

02:06:04.631 --> 02:06:06.631
considering that our revenues are up for strong communities.

02:06:09.511 --> 02:06:11.511
Obviously, measure em.

02:06:12.551 --> 02:06:14.551
We have more

02:06:15.311 --> 02:06:17.311
money in that, correct?

02:06:18.151 --> 02:06:19.591
Yeah.
Susie Lee, director of Community Services, thank you.

02:06:21.391 --> 02:06:23.391
Yes, we do have more revenues and Measure M,

02:06:24.631 --> 02:06:26.631
we do have a 16 year expenditure plan.

02:06:28.671 --> 02:06:30.671
If I, if I may, junior giants is still going.

02:06:31.111 --> 02:06:33.111
On. Very successful every year and we do have youth

02:06:35.711 --> 02:06:37.711
sports leagues for we have youth and adult sports leagues.

02:06:39.231 --> 02:06:41.231
So we do have opportunities for six for middle schoolers

02:06:42.872 --> 02:06:45.312
to participate in sports.
And that's where I think that us partnering

02:06:46.792 --> 02:06:48.792
with the school district is really important.

02:06:49.392 --> 02:06:52.152
I know we were in a three by three
and there was something mentioned

02:06:52.352 --> 02:06:55.152
that I was kind of surprised
and I said I must have heard that wrong in terms of joint use

02:06:59.392 --> 02:07:01.392
us having more joint use with the school district

02:07:02.152 --> 02:07:04.872
because like what school districts have
are swimming pools that we love for our residents to use.

02:07:08.832 --> 02:07:10.832
And we have community centers where hopefully their kids

02:07:12.992 --> 02:07:14.992
can go and participate in sports programs.

02:07:17.832 --> 02:07:19.832
And so I would definitely hope that we would

02:07:22.712 --> 02:07:24.952
look into that
more if we don't have it a creating a program like that.

02:07:29.320 --> 02:07:31.320
And then in terms of the Teen Impact Center,

02:07:32.233 --> 02:07:34.233
so all of the

02:07:35.953 --> 02:07:38.473
sports and recreation staff,
so they're going to

02:07:38.473 --> 02:07:40.473
move out of strictly then and into the Teen Impact Center,

02:07:41.673 --> 02:07:43.233
correct?
OK, because I will tell you I used to take my nephew there

02:07:47.313 --> 02:07:49.313
and there would be maybe five to ten kids there.

02:07:50.193 --> 02:07:52.193
It used to just bum me out so much.

02:07:53.593 --> 02:07:55.593
And even in the summer program, youth program, I had students

02:07:56.873 --> 02:07:58.873
then who were part of the summer youth employment program

02:08:01.113 --> 02:08:03.113
who would say, we don't have any kids here.

02:08:03.673 --> 02:08:05.673
But us. How do we get kids here?

02:08:07.233 --> 02:08:09.233
So is that then going to be turning

02:08:09.553 --> 02:08:11.553
into a facility for employees or

02:08:13.833 --> 02:08:16.673
or is it somehow going to
how are we going to get kids in there?

02:08:17.393 --> 02:08:19.393
Because they're not in there.

02:08:20.194 --> 02:08:22.194
So we will house staff, they're very much needed.

02:08:23.740 --> 02:08:25.994
But it's a large facility.
And so we we had a very good partner.

02:08:27.634 --> 02:08:29.634
And family resource and referral center running that

02:08:30.154 --> 02:08:32.154
that facility for ten years. Did a great job.

02:08:32.754 --> 02:08:34.874
So we're going to take their.
Successful programs and.

02:08:35.274 --> 02:08:37.274
Keep them going, but we're going to add a lot more and we do.

02:08:38.874 --> 02:08:41.794
Our team already goes to schools
and promotes the after school programs and the various.

02:08:43.594 --> 02:08:45.594
Sports opportunities that. We offer.

02:08:46.354 --> 02:08:48.994
So we're just going to continue doing that.
And specifically in the neighborhood

02:08:49.914 --> 02:08:52.554
around the Teen Impact Center.
So once we're able to get in there and get it going,

02:08:53.914 --> 02:08:56.354
we'll be out there promoting.
OK, well I would recommend that you reach out

02:08:58.914 --> 02:09:00.914
and I would be happy to help with coaches

02:09:02.674 --> 02:09:04.674
P.E teachers, I mean, people at the schools,

02:09:06.434 --> 02:09:08.434
I mean, even counselors, because when we have like stars

02:09:09.954 --> 02:09:11.954
and kids say, I'm interested in this or that,

02:09:12.315 --> 02:09:14.315
maybe I'm not at the level to make the high school

02:09:14.955 --> 02:09:17.955
basketball team, but I still love basketball
and want to play, but the parents don't know.

02:09:19.715 --> 02:09:21.715
Or maybe they don't have the funds to support it.

02:09:23.315 --> 02:09:25.315
And I know we offer sliding scale

02:09:26.315 --> 02:09:28.315
for a lot of our activities and I would like to make sure

02:09:29.315 --> 02:09:31.315
that we're we're continuing on that.

02:09:31.355 --> 02:09:33.355
So I see a couple more buttons, but I will just go

02:09:34.595 --> 02:09:36.595
something was said tonight and it's it was about reasons

02:09:40.155 --> 02:09:42.155
the comment was reasons that are important.

02:09:44.675 --> 02:09:46.675
And I think that there are reasons that are more important

02:09:49.235 --> 02:09:51.235
that we are not addressing, which of course is overall

02:09:53.315 --> 02:09:55.315
the health and wellbeing of our community.

02:09:56.355 --> 02:09:58.355
And I think some of that is missing from here.

02:09:59.315 --> 02:10:01.315
So while I think that there are things here

02:10:02.996 --> 02:10:04.996
that I definitely would like to move forward on,

02:10:06.360 --> 02:10:08.360
I think that this is something and I will bring that,

02:10:09.516 --> 02:10:11.516
that the city's Budget Finance Economic Development Committee.

02:10:13.276 --> 02:10:16.156
I think that this needs a deeper
dove by that committee and allocations

02:10:18.996 --> 02:10:20.996
are being discussed and potential increase

02:10:22.516 --> 02:10:24.516
to those allocations potentially.

02:10:25.396 --> 02:10:27.396
I think that this should be going to the city's Budget

02:10:27.636 --> 02:10:29.636
Finance Economic Development Committee

02:10:30.396 --> 02:10:32.396
and I don't think we're prepared to make a decision

02:10:33.756 --> 02:10:35.756
on this $12.9 million tonight.

02:10:40.236 --> 02:10:42.236
Councilwoman has some comments, got some rumblings.

02:10:43.676 --> 02:10:46.516
Are you still with us?
Yes, I'm here.

02:10:46.796 --> 02:10:48.796
And you know, I think I agree with Councilmember

02:10:50.637 --> 02:10:52.637
Wray about this Reserve policy and that

02:10:53.757 --> 02:10:56.597
we have to be very careful.
I do know last year in the job day job that I have

02:10:59.117 --> 02:11:01.637
obviously as an accountant,
there was a lot of small businesses

02:11:02.517 --> 02:11:04.517
that did better than they've done for years.

02:11:04.837 --> 02:11:07.477
And I attribute a lot of that.
And the owners do too,

02:11:07.477 --> 02:11:09.477
to the stimulus money that came into our community

02:11:10.717 --> 02:11:12.717
from the federal government and also the state.

02:11:13.277 --> 02:11:15.277
So I think this is a one time deal

02:11:17.277 --> 02:11:19.277
and we need to be careful when we talk about expenses

02:11:20.917 --> 02:11:22.917
and that we can't tie in to ongoing things that

02:11:25.237 --> 02:11:27.917
are going to have,
you know, annual all expenses tied to them.

02:11:29.797 --> 02:11:31.877
So, you know,
I always go back to the words that Diane Lowrey told me

02:11:33.877 --> 02:11:36.197
when I got elected.
Let's stop looking like a bankrupt city.

02:11:37.957 --> 02:11:39.957
And I think a lot of things that we have on this list

02:11:41.558 --> 02:11:43.558
would help us not look like a bankrupt city.

02:11:44.998 --> 02:11:47.398
I do agree with that.
That Pixie Woods board, you know, that is a gem of our city.

02:11:50.518 --> 02:11:52.518
And I think I happy to see this one or $50,000 on.

02:11:55.398 --> 02:11:57.398
But I mean, it's sad that our train doesn't work

02:11:58.678 --> 02:12:00.518
or you know,
I really like us

02:12:01.158 --> 02:12:03.158
to look at things like that that our kids could go to because

02:12:05.158 --> 02:12:07.758
like somebody spoke, you know,
a lot of kids can't go to Disneyland. And

02:12:08.638 --> 02:12:10.638
they would look at Casey Woods, as you know, at Disneyland.

02:12:13.780 --> 02:12:15.780
So I like that a lot.

02:12:15.398 --> 02:12:17.598
I like a lot of things
I, I agree with the pools in our city and.

02:12:20.158 --> 02:12:22.158
Fortunately a lot of. Those do have ongoing expenses.

02:12:22.958 --> 02:12:25.318
So we need to be careful.
But we do want to have things for the neighborhood kids

02:12:27.598 --> 02:12:29.598
that people feel like we're doing things for them.

02:12:30.639 --> 02:12:32.639
We're doing things for every part of our city.

02:12:34.390 --> 02:12:35.919
I know this isn't
just the only things we're doing next fiscal year.

02:12:37.999 --> 02:12:39.999
We have other things that we've already talked about,

02:12:40.919 --> 02:12:42.919
which is exciting.

02:12:44.159 --> 02:12:46.159
But I just feel like we need to be very careful on this money.

02:12:47.519 --> 02:12:49.519
This is going to go fast

02:12:49.639 --> 02:12:51.639
and we don't know where we are headed this year.

02:12:52.519 --> 02:12:54.679
So I just
I agree with Councilmember Wright

02:12:55.879 --> 02:12:57.879
and everything that he said
and also Councilmember Counterpart's.

02:12:59.199 --> 02:13:01.199
So I think it's a good starting list, but I do think

02:13:03.679 --> 02:13:05.679
we want to get going on some of these things.

02:13:05.799 --> 02:13:07.839
I don't think we want to just wait.
You know,

02:13:07.839 --> 02:13:09.839
I was told before that we were bringing our sidewalks.

02:13:11.359 --> 02:13:13.359
I talked about this before, about the cyber pictures.

02:13:13.999 --> 02:13:15.999
I thought the list we had that was we are we're

02:13:18.239 --> 02:13:20.239
heading on that and it's it my wrong and city manager.

02:13:23.640 --> 02:13:25.640
I thought that was something that I was told.

02:13:26.480 --> 02:13:28.480
It's something that I'm sorry, councilman.

02:13:29.280 --> 02:13:31.440
It's it's
an item that would have been on this list until I spoke to

02:13:35.760 --> 02:13:38.120
director of public works and
she shared with me the the potential price tag

02:13:41.520 --> 02:13:43.520
was not it was not something that was realistic

02:13:44.400 --> 02:13:46.400
from an affordability standpoint.

02:13:46.560 --> 02:13:48.160
You know, just to do
two sidewalks would be between eight to $9 million.

02:13:50.240 --> 02:13:52.240
So we think but based on supply chain issues, labor costs

02:13:54.520 --> 02:13:56.520
that number is probably much bigger than 8 million most like.

02:13:57.760 --> 02:13:59.440
Yeah I.
I just hope we have a list

02:13:59.880 --> 02:14:01.880
of what kind of dangerous ones

02:14:02.000 --> 02:14:04.000
are because I agree with councilmember for guys you like

02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:07.800
people are falling and maybe some just

02:14:08.120 --> 02:14:10.120
need minor repairs but some may need major repairs.

02:14:11.121 --> 02:14:13.121
So I think that two places

02:14:13.921 --> 02:14:15.921
to look out and many photographs and so

02:14:17.441 --> 02:14:20.100
thank you for that clarification.
No seeing manager.

02:14:21.521 --> 02:14:23.521
OK so I just

02:14:23.881 --> 02:14:26.100
I would really like us
to move forward with some of these things.

02:14:26.521 --> 02:14:28.521
I know whenever we decide I mean, I don't

02:14:30.601 --> 02:14:32.601
I think it's not going to all happen overnight.

02:14:33.410 --> 02:14:35.410
I think all the things come back to us anyway.

02:14:36.121 --> 02:14:38.121
So I just I like a lot of thing.

02:14:39.681 --> 02:14:41.921
I mean, I wish this list
could be double as we all do, but we need to get going.

02:14:45.100 --> 02:14:47.100
We need to get going on some of these things.

02:14:47.121 --> 02:14:50.810
We have the money,
but I just think we need to be very careful.

02:14:51.121 --> 02:14:53.241
About.
Expanding many on things that are going to have

02:14:54.721 --> 02:14:56.841
ongoing expenses.
So thank you.

02:14:59.761 --> 02:15:01.761
So if I heard earlier correctly,

02:15:01.762 --> 02:15:03.420
correct me
if I'm wrong, this these numbers that are provided here,

02:15:05.762 --> 02:15:07.762
they're they're preliminary subject to change in

02:15:08.922 --> 02:15:10.922
other words, this isn't these numbers aren't final.

02:15:12.482 --> 02:15:15.202
Is that is that correct?
It's normal for them to swing a little bit

02:15:17.420 --> 02:15:19.420
as we finalize the books and close things out.

02:15:19.762 --> 02:15:21.762
We're talking millions right now.

02:15:22.202 --> 02:15:24.202
We're not won't we might see a significant string

02:15:26.420 --> 02:15:28.420
is swing in respect to the dollar amounts

02:15:28.722 --> 02:15:30.722
that we're talking but yes, they are not final.

02:15:31.322 --> 02:15:33.922
They are subject to audit
and will be slightly different by the time we have our final

02:15:38.200 --> 02:15:40.200
annual report annual audit report.

02:15:40.522 --> 02:15:43.442
They could swing in either direction or.
Yes, OK. OK.

02:15:45.722 --> 02:15:47.762
All right.
So I think the question that you know,

02:15:49.242 --> 02:15:51.242
we have to ask ourselves as a council

02:15:53.300 --> 02:15:55.300
specific to rolling back up and in back up.

02:15:55.403 --> 02:15:57.403
So the reserve, the 11.5 million that we have listed there

02:16:01.203 --> 02:16:03.203
earlier in the presentation, you referenced

02:16:04.483 --> 02:16:06.483
what it had been used for in the past.

02:16:07.563 --> 02:16:09.563
But 11.5 million is a very specific number.

02:16:11.683 --> 02:16:13.683
So what what is it and what's the anticipated

02:16:15.363 --> 02:16:17.363
use of that 11.5 million.

02:16:17.883 --> 02:16:19.883
So 11.5 is just now being added to

02:16:22.323 --> 02:16:24.323
what was previously anticipated for the Reserve.

02:16:25.363 --> 02:16:27.363
So it's probably easier to talk to actually

02:16:28.683 --> 02:16:30.683
the target for known contingency was 58.6.

02:16:33.563 --> 02:16:35.563
And so we went through at the budget time

02:16:36.843 --> 02:16:38.843
and said, based on what we know right now,

02:16:40.430 --> 02:16:42.430
this is what we think we should be putting

02:16:42.440 --> 02:16:44.440
in our known contingency reserve.

02:16:44.244 --> 02:16:46.244
And so it's for things like

02:16:48.840 --> 02:16:50.840
major infrastructure and technology projects

02:16:51.124 --> 02:16:53.124
that you just can't come up with that kind of money

02:16:54.124 --> 02:16:57.840
in any given year.
So that's one example of what we've used it for in the past is

02:16:59.404 --> 02:17:02.840
we've used it for our
financial and age, our system and our radio,

02:17:04.884 --> 02:17:06.884
part of known contingency as you don't know

02:17:07.404 --> 02:17:09.404
what that next big project is,

02:17:10.924 --> 02:17:12.924
but we know that we have a lot of systems

02:17:14.484 --> 02:17:16.484
and infrastructure that have not been maintained

02:17:16.804 --> 02:17:18.804
or have not been updated recently.

02:17:18.924 --> 02:17:21.440
And so there's
there's kind of always something around the corner.

02:17:23.400 --> 02:17:25.400
Next, another big component of it

02:17:25.364 --> 02:17:27.364
is planning for our pension,

02:17:28.484 --> 02:17:30.484
any pension variances,

02:17:30.765 --> 02:17:32.765
also planning for retention and recruitment

02:17:34.445 --> 02:17:36.445
to what Councilmember Canopies said earlier.

02:17:37.205 --> 02:17:39.205
It's a it's a balance between providing services

02:17:39.805 --> 02:17:41.805
to our community and keeping employees.

02:17:42.685 --> 02:17:44.485
But we have to remember
those employees are the ones providing the service

02:17:45.845 --> 02:17:47.845
so if we can't fill our police officer and firefighter

02:17:48.365 --> 02:17:50.365
positions, there's not anybody there to provide

02:17:51.525 --> 02:17:53.525
service to our community.

02:17:53.845 --> 02:17:55.845
So there's a component of that is to build retention

02:17:57.485 --> 02:17:59.850
and recruitment
programs and continue to be a competitive employer.

02:18:01.925 --> 02:18:03.925
Right now, it's a very competitive labor market.

02:18:04.685 --> 02:18:06.685
So that's another component we have.

02:18:09.500 --> 02:18:10.845
So there's
I talked about there's already commitments in there.

02:18:12.685 --> 02:18:14.685
So some of the commitments that are in there are for things

02:18:16.450 --> 02:18:18.165
we've already appropriated
in the next year's budget, which includes

02:18:20.446 --> 02:18:22.446
the city hall

02:18:23.766 --> 02:18:25.766
the new city hall and things like that.

02:18:27.126 --> 02:18:29.406
We're actually still putting money
towards the financial system.

02:18:30.460 --> 02:18:32.566
UPDATE There's still a piece of money
in the known contingency for that.

02:18:33.766 --> 02:18:35.766
So just it's a large bucket.

02:18:37.600 --> 02:18:39.326
It's got
these are the key things we've identified

02:18:40.460 --> 02:18:42.406
that it should be spent on.
Some of them are

02:18:42.486 --> 02:18:44.486
already committed and there's no way out of them

02:18:44.646 --> 02:18:46.646
and some of them are kind of planning contingencies for

02:18:48.366 --> 02:18:50.886
the future.
So the total no contingency is 50.6 million.

02:18:52.446 --> 02:18:55.366
That's with the 11.5.
So that's our target. That's where we'd like to be.

02:18:57.860 --> 02:18:59.966
OK, what's actually being recommended
is the number on this side.

02:19:00.246 --> 02:19:02.246
The 40, the total would be 46.8 and that's inclusive

02:19:03.566 --> 02:19:05.566
of the 11.5.

02:19:06.766 --> 02:19:08.766
OK, OK,

02:19:12.327 --> 02:19:14.327
so I understand and I agree with my colleagues

02:19:14.767 --> 02:19:16.767
with regards to the Reserve policy

02:19:19.207 --> 02:19:21.207
however, I think the question that we have to ask ourselves

02:19:21.447 --> 02:19:23.447
this evening is

02:19:24.447 --> 02:19:26.447
if we're just dealing with the 12.9 million

02:19:27.967 --> 02:19:29.967
as far as recommendation spending plan

02:19:30.447 --> 02:19:32.447
that benefits the community,

02:19:33.727 --> 02:19:35.727
does this spending plan

02:19:37.927 --> 02:19:40.700
truly reflect
the needs in the priorities of the community right now?

02:19:43.247 --> 02:19:45.247
You know, I think that's the question that

02:19:45.487 --> 02:19:47.487
we have to ask ourselves and we have to answer in that

02:19:48.647 --> 02:19:50.647
ultimately that's what we would be voting on today

02:19:52.847 --> 02:19:54.847
in addition to everything else, of course.

02:19:55.407 --> 02:19:57.407
So we have to maintain our fiscal solvency.

02:19:57.607 --> 02:19:59.687
Yes, we do.
We have to maintain our discipline

02:20:00.208 --> 02:20:02.208
and our commitment to a long, long range financial plan.

02:20:02.808 --> 02:20:05.208
Absolutely.
To me, that is a nonnegotiable.

02:20:06.568 --> 02:20:08.568
But when we have extra funding and if we're talking

02:20:09.528 --> 02:20:11.528
about 12.9 million without increasing that right

02:20:12.248 --> 02:20:14.248
now, the question we have to ask ourselves right now is,

02:20:16.880 --> 02:20:18.880
are we making the best use

02:20:19.248 --> 02:20:21.248
of this $12.9 million right now?

02:20:22.648 --> 02:20:24.648
Do these truly reflect

02:20:26.128 --> 02:20:28.128
the council priorities right now?

02:20:28.768 --> 02:20:30.768
And if we're not 100% certain on that, then,

02:20:33.880 --> 02:20:35.880
you know, we need to revisit it as a council.

02:20:35.368 --> 02:20:37.368
And if we are, then we need to proceed forward.

02:20:38.608 --> 02:20:40.768
That's my feedback.
Councilmember Jurek.

02:20:41.728 --> 02:20:44.128
Thank you, Mayor.
So I heard equity come up a lot somewhat

02:20:45.368 --> 02:20:47.968
kick this off with equity
there are how many projects that we're recommending.

02:20:49.288 --> 02:20:51.288
3636 here.

02:20:55.900 --> 02:20:57.489
Yeah, we're up to 30.
So I'm going to start with a whopping two, the district one

02:20:58.849 --> 02:21:01.489
because we're gonna start with equity.
So project number five

02:21:06.209 --> 02:21:07.609
that says
it includes installing over 100 linear feet of expandable

02:21:09.729 --> 02:21:11.729
metal mesh fencing and gates across the levy.

02:21:14.900 --> 02:21:16.900
So help me understand that project

02:21:16.889 --> 02:21:18.889
because the that that right now it's

02:21:20.849 --> 02:21:22.849
I said two projects from my history really meant like 1.5.

02:21:23.969 --> 02:21:25.969
So that one on the north side levy which would be my

02:21:28.449 --> 02:21:30.449
district has a brand new fence already correct.

02:21:32.369 --> 02:21:34.129
Good evening again.
Jody Massey, Public Works director.

02:21:34.889 --> 02:21:36.889
The project includes essentially replacing

02:21:38.849 --> 02:21:40.849
where there's existing chain link fence

02:21:40.930 --> 02:21:42.930
and putting in the expanded mesh fencing.

02:21:43.450 --> 02:21:46.330
It also includes the gates.
So it is going to be on all quadrants of that bridge

02:21:50.500 --> 02:21:52.500
crossing motion or sometimes it's referred to as White Slew.

02:21:53.730 --> 02:21:55.730
So there's not one on the north

02:21:58.500 --> 02:22:00.500
east corner three year time at the other three quadrants.

02:22:00.330 --> 02:22:02.330
It would be all four. Quadrants.

02:22:03.570 --> 02:22:05.890
The northeast.
Northwest, south

02:22:06.210 --> 02:22:08.930
can't have out of the northwest because the north,
the northeast corner is the shopping center.

02:22:10.690 --> 02:22:12.690
And they put it they put that same fencing along

02:22:14.290 --> 02:22:17.250
the border
between where it's
channel maintenance and their private property.

02:22:19.500 --> 02:22:21.500
So you're going to go past their property line, even.

02:22:21.450 --> 02:22:24.250
Try to cut it off at the bridge.
So so that we don't have

02:22:26.100 --> 02:22:27.730
individuals
trying to hop over and get underneath

02:22:29.770 --> 02:22:32.510
does that make sense?
Not really, because I'm trying to picture

02:22:33.811 --> 02:22:35.811
that black wrought iron fence right now and it runs

02:22:37.411 --> 02:22:39.411
all the way up to the levee and

02:22:42.491 --> 02:22:45.131
there's existing chain
link fence that's on the bridge over the levee.

02:22:47.411 --> 02:22:49.411
And then there's fencing

02:22:50.510 --> 02:22:52.510
at the three corners that needs to be repaired, too,

02:22:53.451 --> 02:22:55.451
on the south end of that motor slew.

02:22:57.510 --> 02:22:59.331
Perhaps I can meet you out in the field and we can.
Look at that.

02:22:59.331 --> 02:23:02.910
It's good to me, the second project
and this is the big project for my district, $375,000.

02:23:06.691 --> 02:23:08.691
I'm a little thrown off. Help me understand.

02:23:08.971 --> 02:23:10.971
This is Project 15

02:23:11.510 --> 02:23:13.211
is that includes installation
of an already designed playground and food truck pad

02:23:15.110 --> 02:23:17.651
as part of the Stockton soccer complex
improvement scheduled for award December 2021

02:23:21.572 --> 02:23:24.372
so if
something's already scheduled for award

02:23:27.412 --> 02:23:30.372
doesn't something in order to be scheduled for an award
have to be budgeted previously.

02:23:32.572 --> 02:23:34.572
So in this case for the Stockton soccer complex.

02:23:35.732 --> 02:23:38.652
We had
let me give me a second to pull my notes real quick.

02:23:40.372 --> 02:23:42.372
Want to say we had.
Three or four bid alternates.

02:23:44.132 --> 02:23:46.812
And it included this.
Food truck pad and then the playground.

02:23:49.172 --> 02:23:51.172
So give me one second

02:23:51.812 --> 02:23:54.120
yeah. Perfect.
So alternate one is the north parking lot developing that

02:23:58.120 --> 02:24:00.120
alternate two as the playground alternate three was the food

02:24:01.532 --> 02:24:03.532
truck pad and it includes electrical hookups and wash out.

02:24:05.572 --> 02:24:07.572
And then alternate four was the east parking lot.

02:24:08.372 --> 02:24:10.372
So right now there are funds to award the base bed

02:24:12.373 --> 02:24:15.253
and some of the parking lots.
And so this would be access money

02:24:17.133 --> 02:24:19.133
to include those two components which there are not funds for.

02:24:21.853 --> 02:24:23.853
So we didn't budget for those two parks.

02:24:23.973 --> 02:24:25.973
We only budgeted for other stuff in that park.

02:24:27.813 --> 02:24:29.813
Usually when we have the base bid that's usually

02:24:30.933 --> 02:24:32.933
what we have budget for and we'll include alternate to.

02:24:35.373 --> 02:24:37.573
Like if we got extra money.
Can you, can you do this now?

02:24:38.373 --> 02:24:40.373
It's usually, you know, with the way bids have been coming in.

02:24:41.293 --> 02:24:43.293
So there are some things where we're escalating cost,

02:24:45.213 --> 02:24:47.213
but then there's other things, especially on

02:24:47.653 --> 02:24:49.653
some of the transportation side for some of the paving

02:24:50.453 --> 02:24:53.213
where they're
coming in as expected.

02:24:55.530 --> 02:24:57.530
And there's certain areas like trucking, for instance,

02:24:57.773 --> 02:25:00.413
though, has escalated it.
So we put it in there to take advantage

02:25:02.614 --> 02:25:04.614
of any bidding opportunities where it might come in lower.

02:25:06.694 --> 02:25:08.694
So how much did we already budget to the project?

02:25:10.894 --> 02:25:12.894
About 2.6 million.

02:25:13.734 --> 02:25:15.734
So we're there's a $400,000 shortfall.

02:25:18.454 --> 02:25:20.774
If we want to move forward with this.
The alternate is that we don't move forward with this.

02:25:22.540 --> 02:25:24.540
We move forward with council award season here, December.

02:25:26.140 --> 02:25:28.140
Right now, it's probably projecting more for January.

02:25:30.134 --> 02:25:32.774
OK. That makes sense.
Kind of, yeah.

02:25:32.774 --> 02:25:34.454
So you're just
this is above and beyond the scope of the initial one.

02:25:36.334 --> 02:25:37.694
Yeah.
So you're just trying to add to that project already $2 million

02:25:40.214 --> 02:25:42.214
project OK.

02:25:43.414 --> 02:25:45.414
So and now in full transparency, the item on here,

02:25:48.934 --> 02:25:51.815
the $200,000 study was me
who asked for that and I asked for that on purpose.

02:25:54.735 --> 02:25:56.735
I know it

02:25:56.855 --> 02:25:59.655
because you hear word on the street
and just from talking to people that at one time the city

02:26:02.950 --> 02:26:04.950
did a poor assessment

02:26:05.215 --> 02:26:07.215
and I wasn't really sure of when that was conducted.

02:26:07.615 --> 02:26:09.615
I, I thought it was longer ago so I wanted to get this in here.

02:26:11.495 --> 02:26:13.335
Just so I could try to
figure out how to get that pool assessment.

02:26:13.895 --> 02:26:15.895
So it was when was the pool assessment done?

02:26:18.335 --> 02:26:20.335
The aquatics assessment.

02:26:23.375 --> 02:26:25.935
20. 19.
The aquatics.
It was done in 2017 I believe.

02:26:27.815 --> 02:26:30.535
And has it been updated, any cost
adjustments, has anybody updated any of those costs

02:26:33.975 --> 02:26:35.975
yes. We have spent some

02:26:37.415 --> 02:26:40.335
efforts in trying to update costs.
So I'm happy to remove that $200,000 out of that.

02:26:42.216 --> 02:26:44.696
And this is where I'm going to show you a little bit
of what I feel is a little bit of a shell game.

02:26:46.256 --> 02:26:48.256
And the shell game, I'm going to tell you is the $330,000

02:26:50.456 --> 02:26:53.216
that came from the pool assessment
is now being put into this pocket.

02:26:54.856 --> 02:26:56.216
So it
can be used for pet, for district projects.

02:26:58.496 --> 02:27:00.416
You know how much money we're
allocating if you remove the 200,000

02:27:01.536 --> 02:27:03.536
and unless I'm mistaken this is a 310,000.

02:27:05.856 --> 02:27:08.536
So actually that pool assessment
reimbursement is funding $20,000 in our other projects.

02:27:11.856 --> 02:27:13.856
Is that not fair if I remove the study.

02:27:16.536 --> 02:27:18.736
I would have to rely on Miss
Trammell to tell me how much was the original balance.

02:27:20.896 --> 02:27:23.160
Was it 330.
It's estimated to be 330.

02:27:24.216 --> 02:27:26.216
So three and 30 minus the the, the pool improvement

02:27:27.296 --> 02:27:29.296
projects of 310, $20,000 is funding the other project.

02:27:30.977 --> 02:27:32.977
So in reality we're really doing zero

02:27:33.337 --> 02:27:35.337
for pools out of the money that they're

02:27:37.417 --> 02:27:38.777
based on.
What you described with the 330 minus the 200.

02:27:42.737 --> 02:27:44.737
So sorry of these projects,

02:27:44.897 --> 02:27:46.897
how many of these projects are funded out of 12.6 million?

02:27:48.970 --> 02:27:50.970
So when the pool discussion came up, I said we have money

02:27:51.577 --> 02:27:53.897
sitting here and we need to spend it.
Let's get council authority to put it towards something

02:27:55.457 --> 02:27:57.457
that is the same category.

02:27:57.657 --> 02:28:00.297
So I mean it's just trying to make sure
that we don't have money that's not being sitting there.

02:28:01.897 --> 02:28:03.897
Utilized.
It is if the council wants to leave that and

02:28:06.577 --> 02:28:08.577
or change the projects on this list, that's up to council.

02:28:09.897 --> 02:28:11.897
It's from my fiscal responsibility role.

02:28:12.817 --> 02:28:14.817
I don't want money sitting there that can be used for

02:28:15.577 --> 02:28:17.977
a good purpose.
And I don't think
the shell game on your part,

02:28:18.970 --> 02:28:20.298
I just feel like it's a shell game
and that

02:28:20.298 --> 02:28:22.498
money's being moved around
and those funds are not being funded.

02:28:23.578 --> 02:28:25.578
Other stuff and that's a little bit it's not on you.

02:28:27.138 --> 02:28:29.138
I think that's funds that have been sitting there for how long.

02:28:29.618 --> 02:28:31.618
We increase the amount available because those funds

02:28:32.338 --> 02:28:34.978
could come into this.
So the 12.9 would have been lower if we had not

02:28:37.538 --> 02:28:39.538
identified the savings in that project.

02:28:39.738 --> 02:28:42.538
4.6 Yes.
OK, so I'm just going to go back to that assessment.

02:28:44.698 --> 02:28:46.698
So I'm going to I think that assessment

02:28:47.778 --> 02:28:50.178
identified what we need is a city.
So I'll go specifically right to the park project.

02:28:52.858 --> 02:28:55.498
And how much would that project
in that assessment cost the city? Now.

02:28:58.858 --> 02:29:00.858
So looking at the estimate that was provided

02:29:01.458 --> 02:29:03.458
in that original aquatic study, our team revised that estimate.

02:29:06.178 --> 02:29:08.980
Since that time,
the cost has increased approximately $1 million.

02:29:10.499 --> 02:29:12.499
So that brings us for an Oak Park pool modernization

02:29:14.779 --> 02:29:16.779
at a total value of $4.12 million.

02:29:19.539 --> 02:29:21.539
04 only or not only 4 million.

02:29:22.990 --> 02:29:24.990
It's a lot of money, but so 4.12 million.

02:29:24.539 --> 02:29:26.539
And that facility would then meet the assessment

02:29:27.179 --> 02:29:29.179
recommendation by the consultant that we paid for

02:29:30.659 --> 02:29:32.899
five years ago.
That is correct.

02:29:33.590 --> 02:29:35.499
All right. So 4.1.
Now, I'm going to go with some of the other concerns

02:29:36.419 --> 02:29:38.659
I have from my other council members.
I'm just adding numbers up because, I mean,

02:29:39.299 --> 02:29:41.299
when I add numbers up and then I want to figure out

02:29:41.619 --> 02:29:43.619
what that does to our

02:29:44.179 --> 02:29:46.219
so the other conversation we had.
So so many of our pixie was I think pixie was I

02:29:48.459 --> 02:29:50.459
have young children.

02:29:50.579 --> 02:29:52.419
I agree.
100%.

02:29:52.619 --> 02:29:53.979
It is
embarrassing as a community that young families go

02:29:55.859 --> 02:29:57.859
to Sacramento and go elsewhere when we have something that

02:29:59.859 --> 02:30:02.620
I think is personally
thousand times better than what's in Sacramento. So

02:30:05.220 --> 02:30:07.900
some of the things that they brought up that
we could we could do, we're the train, the carousel

02:30:10.200 --> 02:30:12.100
and the boat.
I've been on that boat.

02:30:12.100 --> 02:30:14.580
I don't like breathing carbon dioxide.
So I know that that's not a enjoyable experience.

02:30:16.180 --> 02:30:18.180
So and the train I love, I've read it a few times,

02:30:19.420 --> 02:30:21.420
but every, every time I've gone most of time it's not working.

02:30:22.740 --> 02:30:24.740
So I think I would share the, the concern of those people.

02:30:26.540 --> 02:30:28.540
How much would it cost to replace those three things?

02:30:30.220 --> 02:30:32.220
So that's an answer I don't have for you.

02:30:33.500 --> 02:30:35.500
I have no way of parking that and providing

02:30:36.600 --> 02:30:38.260
that for you tonight.
I'm more than happy to look into it

02:30:39.380 --> 02:30:41.380
and give you estimated costs for those components.

02:30:42.660 --> 02:30:45.580
So one of the other concerns I hear about Pixie
Woods is the parking lot and safety with it.

02:30:47.300 --> 02:30:49.300
So have we ever got costs for making that

02:30:50.341 --> 02:30:52.341
more safe, providing cameras in the area,

02:30:53.341 --> 02:30:55.901
making families feel safer by doing this?
Have we have any of those type of costs?

02:30:57.610 --> 02:30:59.461
We did estimates.
Estimates, I'm sorry, for resurfacing parking lots.

02:31:02.141 --> 02:31:04.141
A lot of our parks, that's where we get complaints.

02:31:04.261 --> 02:31:06.261
However, we did not include any type of security measures.

02:31:09.101 --> 02:31:11.101
So that is not available at this moment.

02:31:12.741 --> 02:31:14.741
So these are
projects that I would like to hear because I

02:31:16.781 --> 02:31:18.781
I'm not sure by even some of these little projects

02:31:19.261 --> 02:31:21.261
that end up being huge projects for this this community.

02:31:23.210 --> 02:31:25.210
If we started just peeling off a little off of some of those,

02:31:26.341 --> 02:31:28.341
whether it would have long term effects.

02:31:28.381 --> 02:31:30.381
And I'm not advocating for spending all the money down

02:31:30.901 --> 02:31:32.901
in no way but a couple of years ago,

02:31:34.421 --> 02:31:37.610
I was one of the strong ones
advocating for us putting money in the pension trust.

02:31:38.581 --> 02:31:40.581
And so I'm for saving money.

02:31:40.862 --> 02:31:43.620
But on the other side,
I think we could peel off some of these things

02:31:44.302 --> 02:31:46.302
and make some huge projects for this city.

02:31:47.822 --> 02:31:50.302
And that's a part of the conversation
I want to have and why I don't feel comfortable

02:31:50.902 --> 02:31:52.902
voting on this package tonight.

02:31:53.262 --> 02:31:55.782
And I'm with Vice
Vice Mayor Fugazi
in that

02:31:55.782 --> 02:31:58.620
I would like to see the some of the
some of the cost of these things. And

02:31:58.942 --> 02:32:00.942
what if we fund those things, what the impact would be?

02:32:02.302 --> 02:32:04.302
Because I know that the concern and a legitimate

02:32:05.422 --> 02:32:07.422
one is the ongoing costs legitimate?

02:32:09.302 --> 02:32:11.862
Do we currently have an ongoing cost
for providing the train out of Pepsi?

02:32:12.662 --> 02:32:15.342
What we do?
I can tell you my mechanics and our welder have been out there.

02:32:17.582 --> 02:32:19.782
I don't know how many times.
So we have records for all that information.

02:32:20.422 --> 02:32:22.422
So by buying one, would that reduce our ongoing costs

02:32:22.942 --> 02:32:25.462
in the short term?
Sure. Of course.

02:32:25.462 --> 02:32:27.462
Anything new, right. Is going to have lower mean.

02:32:27.942 --> 02:32:30.702
I think there are some benefit.
And too, like we if we already have ongoing costs for things,

02:32:34.543 --> 02:32:36.543
replacing them doesn't give us a new ongoing cost.

02:32:37.543 --> 02:32:40.183
That's one of the points I'm making.
And then with the poor

02:32:40.863 --> 02:32:42.863
in that assessment that it say what demand would look like,

02:32:43.903 --> 02:32:46.183
did it say whether this community
would support a facility like that and whether

02:32:48.103 --> 02:32:50.103
what would the financial effects would be on the city

02:32:51.183 --> 02:32:53.423
of doing a project like that?
The aquatic city does go into that.

02:32:55.623 --> 02:32:57.623
So how how bad was it that that did that in the study

02:32:58.630 --> 02:33:00.630
say that it would send us towards the path of bankruptcy?

02:33:02.223 --> 02:33:04.903
Councilmember, I don't have that off the top
of my head tonight.

02:33:05.183 --> 02:33:07.983
Like these are some of the things like
I would like to get the answer before I push. Yes.

02:33:09.343 --> 02:33:11.343
On allocating funds when I see people coming for the community

02:33:13.383 --> 02:33:15.383
telling us that there's a need and I think the tree thing,

02:33:16.583 --> 02:33:19.630
I get that I would love to see
some one time money allocated for that.

02:33:19.583 --> 02:33:21.583
I think there's a big need for that.

02:33:23.240 --> 02:33:25.240
I adding a whole bunch of new,

02:33:26.584 --> 02:33:28.584
large, new ongoing costs.

02:33:29.344 --> 02:33:31.144
I get that.
That's concerning but some of these things,

02:33:32.224 --> 02:33:34.224
I think by updating them,

02:33:35.104 --> 02:33:37.104
while we may not

02:33:38.224 --> 02:33:40.184
be making money, I don't
think any of these things will make money on.

02:33:40.904 --> 02:33:42.904
I think we may not see as much of an impact.

02:33:44.304 --> 02:33:46.304
I'd be interested to see what that would be in our

02:33:46.784 --> 02:33:49.504
in our long term financial plan
by adding some of these amenities

02:33:49.904 --> 02:33:51.904
that we already have ongoing costs for.

02:33:52.240 --> 02:33:54.240
Thank you.

02:33:57.640 --> 02:33:59.640
Councilmember Walmsley.

02:34:00.504 --> 02:34:02.504
A question for you, Jody.

02:34:03.304 --> 02:34:05.304
I did want to just clarify because I was just at meeting

02:34:06.384 --> 02:34:08.384
Harold Park over the weekend, planning some trees

02:34:09.584 --> 02:34:11.584
in that bathroom, look like it's been dormant,

02:34:13.985 --> 02:34:15.985
old deteriorate for

02:34:16.425 --> 02:34:18.425
about how long.

02:34:19.425 --> 02:34:22.185
I'm not sure it's
included as one of our sites,

02:34:22.625 --> 02:34:24.625
I believe, for our ARPA funding for an exclusive facility.

02:34:26.585 --> 02:34:28.585
OK, and so with this irrigation

02:34:30.250 --> 02:34:32.250
installment, you just tell me a little more about that.

02:34:34.145 --> 02:34:35.505
Yeah.
So we do have some park sites that rely on well, water

02:34:38.665 --> 02:34:40.665
usually has been cheaper for us, obviously for irrigating than

02:34:42.185 --> 02:34:44.185
connecting to either our own city water or cool water.

02:34:46.650 --> 02:34:48.650
So a lot of the wells that the parks have relied on are really.

02:34:50.585 --> 02:34:52.585
Old, I would say 50. Years old.

02:34:53.825 --> 02:34:55.825
So over the last couple of years we have replaced

02:34:57.385 --> 02:34:59.385
the well as park that was completed last year.

02:35:00.546 --> 02:35:02.546
The year prior to that is victory.

02:35:02.746 --> 02:35:04.746
So Matty Harrell is
just kind of coming online and what we'd like to do is

02:35:07.506 --> 02:35:09.506
address it more proactive

02:35:09.946 --> 02:35:11.946
before we have complete.

02:35:12.260 --> 02:35:14.260
Collapse of the well where we won't be watering at all.

02:35:15.586 --> 02:35:17.260
Got it.
And then

02:35:17.786 --> 02:35:19.786
I, I know that we want to take a more

02:35:21.306 --> 02:35:23.306
collaborative approach to identifying other resources

02:35:26.986 --> 02:35:28.986
and projects and supports to give to communities.

02:35:31.626 --> 02:35:33.626
However, I do want to remind us that there are other

02:35:36.706 --> 02:35:39.666
federal wide
initiatives coming down the pipe.

02:35:41.706 --> 02:35:43.706
And I know that we're not talking about this today,

02:35:45.306 --> 02:35:47.306
but if the city manager, if you have any like insight on

02:35:49.946 --> 02:35:51.946
what some of those proposed infrastructure bills

02:35:53.707 --> 02:35:55.707
may or may not do with some of the sidewalks

02:35:57.667 --> 02:35:59.667
and other infrastructure issues that we're facing

02:36:00.907 --> 02:36:02.907
as a city.

02:36:06.227 --> 02:36:07.627
I think the
president is going to be signing the first infrastructure,

02:36:09.627 --> 02:36:11.627
the brick and mortar infrastructure bill tomorrow

02:36:15.267 --> 02:36:17.267
we know what categories.

02:36:17.907 --> 02:36:19.907
So there'll be a lot coming to state and local governments.

02:36:21.507 --> 02:36:23.507
We just don't know how much and when it'll be for water,

02:36:25.467 --> 02:36:27.467
wastewater, capital construction efforts.

02:36:29.147 --> 02:36:31.147
It'll be for broadband

02:36:33.670 --> 02:36:35.670
it'll be for transportation, basically

02:36:36.187 --> 02:36:38.187
in terms of how it would impact us would be a lot more road

02:36:40.147 --> 02:36:42.147
repaving

02:36:43.788 --> 02:36:45.788
most likely anything transportation related,

02:36:46.388 --> 02:36:48.388
maybe some of our traffic signals, zation,

02:36:50.588 --> 02:36:52.588
infrastructure, things of that nature, in terms of sidewalks,

02:36:54.988 --> 02:36:57.908
you know, to the extent that they are part of
maybe a larger street repaving effort or

02:37:00.868 --> 02:37:02.868
in this case we may even decide we want to replace,

02:37:04.828 --> 02:37:07.348
totally reconstruct some streets.
So in those cases

02:37:08.308 --> 02:37:10.308
you can incorporate some sidewalk investment activity

02:37:13.228 --> 02:37:15.228
so if I may, I mean, you raise a very good point.

02:37:15.628 --> 02:37:17.628
Council Councilmember

02:37:19.228 --> 02:37:21.268
obviously you
know the council, you know, as a paragon

02:37:23.548 --> 02:37:25.548
of to do whatever it wants to do when it wants to do it.

02:37:27.280 --> 02:37:29.280
I just what I would say to you all is to just keep in mind

02:37:29.988 --> 02:37:31.988
that we've got an extremely small staff

02:37:34.829 --> 02:37:36.829
and I'm trying to keep them moving forward.

02:37:38.469 --> 02:37:40.469
In terms of creating a certain pace

02:37:43.269 --> 02:37:45.509
just keep that in mind
that we've got care's we've got last fiscal

02:37:48.389 --> 02:37:50.389
the previous fiscal years discretionary spending

02:37:52.589 --> 02:37:54.589
we have the IRAP program.

02:37:54.669 --> 02:37:56.669
We're now mobilizing for the opera spending

02:37:58.869 --> 02:38:01.269
and we have this.
And then what's coming is the infrastructure moneys

02:38:03.269 --> 02:38:05.589
when we don't know
and then there'll be the human infrastructure moneys coming

02:38:07.269 --> 02:38:09.269
even greater numbers than what this is.

02:38:10.229 --> 02:38:12.229
So I'll just say that say that this staff has been responding

02:38:16.629 --> 02:38:18.629
to me, pushing it without breaking it.

02:38:19.749 --> 02:38:21.749
I'm just always very sensitive and cognizant

02:38:22.750 --> 02:38:24.750
of the fact that I don't want to break this staff.

02:38:25.830 --> 02:38:27.270
So whatever
we can do to help manage that pace is all I'm suggesting.

02:38:31.300 --> 02:38:33.300
Basically,

02:38:33.430 --> 02:38:35.270
is a lot.
And this staff has answered the call on each occasion.

02:38:39.390 --> 02:38:41.390
I just want to be able to

02:38:42.990 --> 02:38:44.990
make sure that it can continue to answer the call.

02:38:45.910 --> 02:38:48.750
This is not
again, I keep saying over and over again,

02:38:49.470 --> 02:38:51.470
this is a 700 person local government.

02:38:53.590 --> 02:38:55.590
I I had 6400 people

02:38:56.510 --> 02:38:58.510
on my staff for a smaller population

02:39:01.150 --> 02:39:03.150
and this staff is producing

02:39:05.110 --> 02:39:07.110
at probably an even greater level.

02:39:07.830 --> 02:39:09.830
So it's more than I you want to hear.

02:39:11.271 --> 02:39:13.271
But I'm just saying please be sensitive to

02:39:15.591 --> 02:39:17.351
the limitations
on our ability to pivot too much.

02:39:19.631 --> 02:39:21.591
We can pivot,
but I just don't want to break the backs of this, of the staff.

02:39:24.671 --> 02:39:26.671
And we're very close in my view.

02:39:27.671 --> 02:39:29.671
So I'm very I think about that every day.

02:39:30.151 --> 02:39:32.151
I don't know if that answered your question, Councilmember.

02:39:32.751 --> 02:39:34.871
Yes, thank you.
And the reason why I'm bringing it up

02:39:35.471 --> 02:39:37.471
just to my colleagues is that I feel like

02:39:39.631 --> 02:39:41.631
we still can get our priorities in the respects to building

02:39:45.151 --> 02:39:47.151
and more opportunities for our community, more support.

02:39:49.671 --> 02:39:51.671
I agree with the vice mayor.

02:39:52.310 --> 02:39:54.310
I would love to see more no cost

02:39:56.631 --> 02:39:59.231
youth services,
not youth services, youth sports,

02:40:02.312 --> 02:40:04.592
events like
Miscarry read to me at the library

02:40:06.992 --> 02:40:08.992
was seemed to be a very popular ordeal.

02:40:10.432 --> 02:40:12.432
I know we can't do music and movies

02:40:12.512 --> 02:40:15.432
because it's getting cold.
I also love the mobile libraries

02:40:18.272 --> 02:40:20.272
that were that happened during the summertime

02:40:21.632 --> 02:40:23.632
as well as those I don't know if it was a mobile library,

02:40:25.720 --> 02:40:27.720
but there was another mobile event, a brotherhood,

02:40:28.592 --> 02:40:30.592
where they brought activities to the youth

02:40:32.272 --> 02:40:34.272
well, I respect Louis Parks.

02:40:35.312 --> 02:40:38.320
I love Louis Park.
I love Pixie Woods.

02:40:39.320 --> 02:40:41.320
But folks and service to folks in East Side, Stockton

02:40:43.872 --> 02:40:45.872
is going to be pretty difficult for them to get there.

02:40:48.392 --> 02:40:50.392
But these are things that we can work out

02:40:51.330 --> 02:40:53.330
and process through our, you know, our subcommittee groups.

02:40:54.553 --> 02:40:56.553
And as we continue to have

02:40:57.153 --> 02:40:59.153
this conversation on the on the dias.

02:41:00.433 --> 02:41:02.433
But I just want us to remember that there are other funding

02:41:03.313 --> 02:41:05.313
opportunities that will be streamlined.

02:41:05.713 --> 02:41:07.713
The is money, the aren't money.

02:41:08.393 --> 02:41:10.393
It seemed to go pretty quickly and move quickly

02:41:12.633 --> 02:41:15.273
to receive the funding.
So I just want us to also keep that in perspective as well.

02:41:18.433 --> 02:41:20.433
If I may add to your comments,

02:41:21.873 --> 02:41:24.153
I think it's also important
for us to keep in mind what we have done

02:41:25.193 --> 02:41:27.433
and what we are doing.
What we've done and are currently

02:41:28.553 --> 02:41:30.553
in the process of doing is totally unprecedented.

02:41:32.313 --> 02:41:34.313
With the CARES Act, we were able to put $27 million

02:41:35.713 --> 02:41:37.713
back into the community directly,

02:41:38.730 --> 02:41:40.730
and with the ARPA money we're talking about another

02:41:41.340 --> 02:41:43.340
$78 million of investment in the community.

02:41:44.314 --> 02:41:46.874
So I just say that.
So I think sometimes it's important for us

02:41:47.754 --> 02:41:49.754
to remind ourselves of what we have and what we are doing.

02:41:52.194 --> 02:41:53.554
Thank you.
I'm going to throw for this

02:41:54.874 --> 02:41:56.874
$500,000 for the excuse me for the ball park required

02:41:59.234 --> 02:42:01.234
Major League Baseball upgrade designs services.

02:42:02.740 --> 02:42:04.354
Can you provide some clarity
with regards to that $500,000 that's in this

02:42:07.594 --> 02:42:09.594
as a part of the 12.9 million project list.

02:42:11.394 --> 02:42:13.394
I can I can start on that and then.

02:42:13.834 --> 02:42:15.834
Well, Kerry, why don't you come on and just respond

02:42:16.954 --> 02:42:18.954
to that one

02:42:23.394 --> 02:42:24.914
Kerry Right.
Director of Economic Development.

02:42:25.994 --> 02:42:27.994
Um, so it's going to be me talking about sports

02:42:28.914 --> 02:42:30.914
so bear with me for just a moment.

02:42:32.115 --> 02:42:34.315
But we are.
Required by our contract with the ports.

02:42:35.435 --> 02:42:37.435
To provide a facility at the level.

02:42:38.435 --> 02:42:40.755
That the league. Requires. It.
So that's going to require upgrades.

02:42:42.755 --> 02:42:45.750
To the ballpark.
And so we need to go into.

02:42:45.155 --> 02:42:46.875
Some planning.
Modes and get some designs done and figure out what it's

02:42:48.235 --> 02:42:50.750
going to cost. Us.
So that's mostly for the planning pieces.

02:42:52.750 --> 02:42:54.750
Of figuring out what we're going to have to pay for.

02:42:54.875 --> 02:42:56.875
Probably in that category of known contingencies are now

02:42:58.115 --> 02:43:01.750
known contingencies.
So we'll do the assessments, we'll do the design.

02:43:02.275 --> 02:43:04.635
We'll figure out what it's going to cost us
and we'll bring that information back to you.

02:43:07.475 --> 02:43:09.475
So you mentioned non contingencies

02:43:10.750 --> 02:43:12.195
that just maybe think so.
So then there's this 500

02:43:13.595 --> 02:43:15.595
is this $5.2 thousand need to be in this project list.

02:43:16.715 --> 02:43:18.715
Or should it come from a different part

02:43:19.235 --> 02:43:21.276
of a known contingency?
I think she was referring to known

02:43:21.836 --> 02:43:23.836
contingencies as a term of art, not specific to the known

02:43:26.396 --> 02:43:28.396
contingency C Yeah, I guess Trammell

02:43:29.796 --> 02:43:31.796
sort of using the term but

02:43:32.876 --> 02:43:34.876
from a totally different perspective.

02:43:35.996 --> 02:43:37.996
So this is just one of the benefits that a city

02:43:38.156 --> 02:43:40.156
that has any ties to a major league organization,

02:43:41.916 --> 02:43:43.916
they get to pay for these things on a periodic basis.

02:43:44.556 --> 02:43:46.556
They don't they keep coming.

02:43:47.756 --> 02:43:49.756
So I guess just so that I'm clear,

02:43:51.360 --> 02:43:53.360
the $500,000 it has for this particular project

02:43:55.476 --> 02:43:57.476
has to come from the, the $12.9 million.

02:43:59.676 --> 02:44:01.676
It can come from the 11.5 or.

02:44:02.916 --> 02:44:04.916
It would need to come from the 12 million.

02:44:05.436 --> 02:44:07.436
Because it would need to come from the 12 million.

02:44:08.316 --> 02:44:10.316
What comes of the studies will likely

02:44:11.370 --> 02:44:13.370
become known contingencies

02:44:14.157 --> 02:44:16.157
in terms of what what Mr.

02:44:16.197 --> 02:44:18.197
Trammell just laid out for you.

02:44:19.477 --> 02:44:21.917
Was there any comments you wanted to make?
Mr. Moore.

02:44:21.917 --> 02:44:23.917
No. OK,

02:44:26.357 --> 02:44:28.637
Councilmember, right.
Yes. We spent a lot of time talking about aquatics tonight,

02:44:30.717 --> 02:44:33.317
but I haven't heard anything
about the 5.4 million the State allocated to us for aquatics.

02:44:36.517 --> 02:44:38.517
How is that going to fit into all of this?

02:44:46.477 --> 02:44:48.317
Good evening, Suzy.
Dave Lee again. So the.

02:44:50.197 --> 02:44:52.877
The state specified grant is.
$5.4 million.

02:44:53.917 --> 02:44:55.917
For aquatics facilities.

02:44:56.437 --> 02:44:58.437
So we are proposing 2.7 million for the Victory Park

02:45:01.678 --> 02:45:03.798
Project and two point.
Seven. Million for the McKinley Project.

02:45:05.158 --> 02:45:07.158
That's related to the Prop 68

02:45:08.278 --> 02:45:10.278
funding for McKinley Park renovation. OK.

02:45:14.958 --> 02:45:16.958
So that consumes it all.

02:45:18.518 --> 02:45:21.238
That consumes the 5.4. Yes.
2.7. Yes.

02:45:21.598 --> 02:45:24.158
OK, all right.
Thank you.

02:45:26.158 --> 02:45:28.158
Vice Mayor Fugazi.

02:45:28.798 --> 02:45:30.798
Sorry, I'm trying to do my calculations here because I'm

02:45:32.158 --> 02:45:34.158
I'm, uh, you know, we've discussed

02:45:34.918 --> 02:45:36.918
a lot of different things, and there's a

02:45:37.958 --> 02:45:39.958
I think we have opportunities to do

02:45:42.158 --> 02:45:44.158
a little bit more than what we're currently proposing.

02:45:45.318 --> 02:45:46.958
Here.
Um, we called it a rainy day fund

02:45:49.780 --> 02:45:51.780
back in 20, 15.

02:45:51.679 --> 02:45:53.679
We said, oh, you should always have a little rainy day fund.

02:45:54.199 --> 02:45:56.199
And so that's where we came up with having a savings.

02:45:57.679 --> 02:46:00.390
Everybody should have savings,
you know, us as individuals, and so should the city.

02:46:02.159 --> 02:46:04.999
Just in case
the washing machine breaks or something

02:46:06.199 --> 02:46:09.159
with your car breaks down
and you have the money to pay for it.

02:46:09.799 --> 02:46:11.799
But there are some things in the city that are broke,

02:46:12.479 --> 02:46:14.479
currently broke, that need some fixing.

02:46:16.959 --> 02:46:18.959
And last year,

02:46:19.119 --> 02:46:21.239
the difference between
this year and last year with our ending fund balance

02:46:25.790 --> 02:46:27.790
so this year's 109.7,

02:46:28.399 --> 02:46:30.399
which is the ending balance for 20, 21,

02:46:33.359 --> 02:46:35.359
I mean 20, 20 and 2021

02:46:36.439 --> 02:46:38.439
and the prior year reserve balance is 109.7 million.

02:46:41.960 --> 02:46:43.960
Well last year when we had this exact same discussion,

02:46:46.200 --> 02:46:48.200
the difference it was 96.4 million.

02:46:50.000 --> 02:46:51.880
So that's a difference
of 13.3 million between last year and this year.

02:46:54.640 --> 02:46:56.640
Now we, we had less money available

02:46:59.200 --> 02:47:01.520
or not less money available.
We allocated less funds last year

02:47:04.400 --> 02:47:06.400
than we're proposing to do today.

02:47:07.400 --> 02:47:09.400
But we also have a larger margin

02:47:10.440 --> 02:47:12.440
of 13.3 million.

02:47:13.280 --> 02:47:15.280
So I would like to tweak this a little bit more.

02:47:18.680 --> 02:47:20.680
I'm not prepared to accept this as written.

02:47:22.200 --> 02:47:24.200
And I'm just telling you that and I'm letting the public know

02:47:25.200 --> 02:47:27.200
I want to put

02:47:28.000 --> 02:47:30.000
more resources towards some of our needs.

02:47:30.761 --> 02:47:32.761
And so if we just if you want to

02:47:32.881 --> 02:47:34.881
somebody wants to make a motion to accept this as is,

02:47:35.881 --> 02:47:37.881
I will not be supporting that.

02:47:41.121 --> 02:47:43.121
So we've heard from the community earlier today.

02:47:44.761 --> 02:47:46.761
This evening, Pixie Woods showed up.

02:47:48.810 --> 02:47:50.810
We've heard examples of needs throughout the community

02:47:51.841 --> 02:47:53.841
from several other community members as well.

02:47:55.681 --> 02:47:58.241
Listen,
these are this is one time funding.

02:47:59.761 --> 02:48:01.761
This is one time money.

02:48:02.410 --> 02:48:04.410
These are one time opportunities

02:48:04.281 --> 02:48:06.281
that we have to meet the needs of our constituents.

02:48:08.100 --> 02:48:10.100
And that's what we were elected to do.

02:48:10.761 --> 02:48:12.481
So, again, I go
back to my previous comment, you know, earlier, is that,

02:48:15.321 --> 02:48:17.321
you know, what we're deciding on here, this

02:48:17.881 --> 02:48:19.881
$12.9 million is

02:48:21.482 --> 02:48:23.482
do we believe as a council that this $12.9 billion,

02:48:25.322 --> 02:48:27.322
the way that it's allocated meets, you know,

02:48:29.202 --> 02:48:31.202
the best you know, best meets the needs of our community

02:48:32.122 --> 02:48:34.122
right now with this one time funding that we have right now?

02:48:35.802 --> 02:48:38.402
I understand infrastructure
funding and other funding's going to come potentially.

02:48:41.362 --> 02:48:44.202
But at the same time, the guidelines
and the parameters for that funding have not been set yet.

02:48:47.362 --> 02:48:49.362
So factoring that out

02:48:49.802 --> 02:48:51.802
and just focusing on the $12.9 million,

02:48:54.482 --> 02:48:56.522
that's the question that I feel
we have to ask but as a as a follow up to that,

02:48:59.762 --> 02:49:01.762
I mean, what's the downside,

02:49:02.200 --> 02:49:04.200
just so we're transparent with the public?

02:49:05.722 --> 02:49:08.682
Listen, the public knows that, you know,
I hope the public knows that this council in this staff

02:49:12.203 --> 02:49:14.203
for this city of Stockton

02:49:14.283 --> 02:49:16.300
is working,
you know, really hard and working overtime, quite frankly,

02:49:18.643 --> 02:49:20.643
to make sure that their needs are met.

02:49:20.963 --> 02:49:23.563
And I hope I hope the public hears
that and understands that clearly.

02:49:25.803 --> 02:49:27.803
But in the spirit of transparency,

02:49:28.203 --> 02:49:30.203
in the spirit of transparency, and for me personally,

02:49:31.430 --> 02:49:33.430
understanding that this is the first time

02:49:33.483 --> 02:49:35.483
that I've seen this exhaustive attachment see tonight

02:49:38.430 --> 02:49:40.430
list with the details that are there,

02:49:41.403 --> 02:49:44.163
what is the down side?
Help somebody help me understand or answer this question.

02:49:45.483 --> 02:49:47.483
City attorney, city manager, staff,

02:49:48.723 --> 02:49:50.723
what's the downside of count of counsel

02:49:53.203 --> 02:49:54.603
taking a
little bit more time in providing an opportunity

02:49:57.403 --> 02:49:59.403
for public and counsel to really,

02:50:02.284 --> 02:50:04.284
you know, identify and prioritize

02:50:04.924 --> 02:50:06.924
the needs with regards to this $12.9 million.

02:50:10.244 --> 02:50:12.244
Do you want to go first to me?

02:50:12.884 --> 02:50:15.164
OK, a first.
This is a difficult question to answer, Mayor, simply because

02:50:18.964 --> 02:50:20.964
taking more time

02:50:21.124 --> 02:50:23.124
is not a bad thing.

02:50:23.884 --> 02:50:25.884
So I don't want to

02:50:26.964 --> 02:50:29.404
come across as though
that's my sentiment because it's not my

02:50:33.684 --> 02:50:36.644
my concern is just that, again,
it gets back to staff productivity.

02:50:39.364 --> 02:50:41.364
So in essence, you you take this to a committee

02:50:43.964 --> 02:50:46.564
whenever that's going to be.
And we're going to basically

02:50:46.924 --> 02:50:48.924
go through a budget formulation and development process

02:50:50.285 --> 02:50:52.285
while we're just started next fiscal year's budget process.

02:50:55.450 --> 02:50:57.245
What staff
then we're going

02:50:57.245 --> 02:50:59.245
to have all of the opera stuff that's going to be coming back

02:51:00.285 --> 02:51:02.525
to you all.
A lot of stuff is going to be coming a lot.

02:51:04.565 --> 02:51:06.565
And not to mention what else is coming down the pike.

02:51:07.765 --> 02:51:09.765
So it is for me, it's, it's

02:51:10.325 --> 02:51:12.765
it's a tough question to answer
only because it's your right and prerogative

02:51:14.485 --> 02:51:16.485
to take as much time as you want to take.

02:51:16.805 --> 02:51:18.805
I'm just thinking because I've got to deliver for you.

02:51:20.285 --> 02:51:22.285
You see, I'm your quarterback and

02:51:26.165 --> 02:51:27.805
and so,
so my, my feedback is coming from the fact

02:51:29.965 --> 02:51:31.965
of being the quarterback
and having the responsibility to deliver for you

02:51:34.205 --> 02:51:36.205
and I have high standards for that, OK?

02:51:38.605 --> 02:51:40.605
But I've got the team and my team is a solid team,

02:51:43.446 --> 02:51:45.446
but they are human and we've been going at this

02:51:45.966 --> 02:51:47.966
for almost two years now nonstop and it's going to continue on.

02:51:49.246 --> 02:51:51.246
So I don't want to fatigue the team

02:51:53.566 --> 02:51:55.566
before we get to the finish line and we've got a ways to go

02:51:56.806 --> 02:51:58.806
to get to the finish line.

02:51:59.606 --> 02:52:01.600
We're going to
be in this mode for at least another two

02:52:03.126 --> 02:52:05.126
to three to four years,

02:52:05.166 --> 02:52:07.166
and I just don't want to burn staff out.

02:52:09.860 --> 02:52:11.860
But anyway, again,

02:52:11.726 --> 02:52:13.726
taking time, that's a right

02:52:15.166 --> 02:52:17.166
and that's a part of your fiduciary responsibility,

02:52:18.966 --> 02:52:20.966
so it's difficult for me to answer that question there.

02:52:21.606 --> 02:52:23.606
Thank you. See, the attorney

02:52:24.486 --> 02:52:26.646
well, 11 thing.
The council could do is,

02:52:27.886 --> 02:52:29.686
is approve
the remainder of the item and leave and leave this piece

02:52:32.167 --> 02:52:34.167
either to further staff development or referral

02:52:35.247 --> 02:52:37.807
to a committee.
That's that's your prerogative if I wanted to.

02:52:40.687 --> 02:52:42.727
To make sure the manager spoke first
because so you

02:52:42.727 --> 02:52:44.727
understood the impact of that, but that's certainly within

02:52:45.727 --> 02:52:47.727
within your prerogative to do so.

02:52:49.447 --> 02:52:51.447
Councilmember Joe Breck.

02:52:52.447 --> 02:52:54.447
Question two years ago when we we went through this process,

02:52:57.327 --> 02:53:00.470
how did we follow that
in comparison to the

02:53:05.700 --> 02:53:07.700
Reserve policy

02:53:11.327 --> 02:53:13.327
the year that we put money in the pension trust?

02:53:13.887 --> 02:53:16.327
It's been a long two years.
I have to.

02:53:17.887 --> 02:53:19.887
And so how did we we.

02:53:21.928 --> 02:53:23.928
Did we volatility.

02:53:25.880 --> 02:53:27.880
I believe two years is when we started

02:53:27.728 --> 02:53:30.128
looking at the fact
that there was a little bit

02:53:30.168 --> 02:53:32.168
more than we anticipated and that

02:53:32.208 --> 02:53:34.208
we could do something with that

02:53:34.768 --> 02:53:36.768
so the last two years have looked similar to

02:53:38.128 --> 02:53:40.128
what was recommended tonight, which was to

02:53:41.128 --> 02:53:43.768
do some priority projects.
And then do the reserve.

02:53:46.128 --> 02:53:48.128
But under under those two, we didn't

02:53:49.288 --> 02:53:51.288
we didn't follow the Reserve policy

02:53:51.568 --> 02:53:53.568
in the last two budgets.

02:53:54.608 --> 02:53:56.608
So you're following your Reserve policy.

02:53:58.480 --> 02:54:00.480
You're making a you're taking an action before

02:54:01.808 --> 02:54:03.808
you're implementing that reserve policy.

02:54:05.488 --> 02:54:07.488
But those were

02:54:07.888 --> 02:54:09.888
because I remember those meetings and those meetings,

02:54:10.649 --> 02:54:13.169
it was recommended that we reserve
we follow the Reserve policy and allocate X dollars.

02:54:15.369 --> 02:54:17.369
We said, no, we'll we'll put some money there.

02:54:18.329 --> 02:54:20.329
But then we decided to put dollars towards outside of that.

02:54:22.849 --> 02:54:25.809
Is that not fair enough?
If I may, I think Councilman Wright really laid it out

02:54:30.900 --> 02:54:32.769
in real simple terms.
I like simple terms. I'm a simple fella. Go ahead.

02:54:33.729 --> 02:54:35.209
Yeah. Yeah.
So the reserve policy is a mandated policy.

02:54:39.929 --> 02:54:41.929
However, the content of that reserve policy is still up

02:54:43.449 --> 02:54:45.449
to some level of discretion with respect to you all.

02:54:48.900 --> 02:54:50.900
So the Reserve policy is is intended to provide

02:54:54.929 --> 02:54:56.929
a guide and a framework that is consistent with

02:55:01.900 --> 02:55:03.900
sound financial management.

02:55:04.500 --> 02:55:06.500
So did that restate what you said earlier?

02:55:07.770 --> 02:55:09.770
That's that's you've got the gist of it.

02:55:10.170 --> 02:55:12.170
OK, the not not too simple then it's more complicated

02:55:14.370 --> 02:55:16.370
and it is more complicated than that.

02:55:16.410 --> 02:55:18.410
But it's it's a mandate that we put on ourselves

02:55:22.290 --> 02:55:24.370
that's the bottom line.
And so we have the authority to change that mandate, obviously.

02:55:26.290 --> 02:55:28.290
But I made my thoughts clear on that.

02:55:28.530 --> 02:55:30.530
And other council members made their thoughts clear on it.

02:55:32.650 --> 02:55:34.650
So sorry.

02:55:35.130 --> 02:55:37.130
Well, I was interrupting you, so go ahead.

02:55:37.530 --> 02:55:39.610
I'm just going to make a motion.
So I'd make a motion

02:55:39.610 --> 02:55:42.610
that we take $5 million out of working
capital 5 million and contingency

02:55:43.690 --> 02:55:45.690
and a million out of risk base, put it towards our projects

02:55:46.500 --> 02:55:48.500
and approve the rest as recommended,

02:55:48.930 --> 02:55:50.930
with the exception of the 200 for the poor study.

02:55:51.531 --> 02:55:53.531
Which can go to Pixie Woods.

02:55:53.771 --> 02:55:55.510
Yeah.
Would you accept that friendly amendment?

02:55:56.611 --> 02:55:58.611
I just to point out, the risk

02:56:00.910 --> 02:56:02.910
based reserves have been designated in prior years.

02:56:03.811 --> 02:56:06.731
I don't
you're not changing them,
so I don't know that you could actually reduce them. OK.

02:56:09.110 --> 02:56:10.931
And five and five.
And they require a supermajority.

02:56:11.851 --> 02:56:14.691
Five off of working capital and five off.
No contingency to go towards this committee that we could

02:56:17.811 --> 02:56:20.651
that we could recommend and we'll prove the rest
as is recommended other than the 200,000 that could go

02:56:25.931 --> 02:56:28.531
towards this conversation.
Yeah,
but that's $10 million

02:56:28.531 --> 02:56:30.531
that we can have real conversation about. Yeah.

02:56:31.491 --> 02:56:33.491
If I could make sure I understand the motion.

02:56:33.691 --> 02:56:35.691
It's, it's to approve staff recommendation minus the 200,000

02:56:39.411 --> 02:56:41.411
and apply an additional 10 million

02:56:42.772 --> 02:56:44.772
from those sources of reserves

02:56:45.520 --> 02:56:47.520
that would be referred to the Budget Committee. Yep.

02:56:48.572 --> 02:56:50.332
That's my motion for.
Consideration and recommendations to counsel. Yes.

02:56:52.652 --> 02:56:54.652
So just so, so we're clear,

02:56:55.292 --> 02:56:57.132
just because
if members of the public are watching right now,

02:56:57.852 --> 02:56:59.652
we want to make sure
that we're very crystal clear with what's happening right now.

02:57:02.732 --> 02:57:04.732
So in the simplest way

02:57:05.852 --> 02:57:07.852
we could put this

02:57:09.572 --> 02:57:11.572
so that 10 million

02:57:11.892 --> 02:57:13.892
is going to go to the committee,

02:57:15.692 --> 02:57:17.692
is that 10 million in addition to the 12.9 million

02:57:19.572 --> 02:57:21.372
go to the meeting.
That's, as I understand the motion, and.

02:57:22.772 --> 02:57:24.772
It's 10.3 million or 10,300,000

02:57:26.492 --> 02:57:28.492
because 3000 I'm pulling off as the means.

02:57:29.732 --> 02:57:31.732
That would be 12.7 million 200,000 off of.

02:57:33.613 --> 02:57:35.613
12,300.

02:57:35.973 --> 02:57:37.973
Two. .862 looks like on attachment. See.

02:57:38.853 --> 02:57:41.773
Yeah. The 20,000 off of 12.8.
So 12 point.

02:57:41.853 --> 02:57:43.853
6 million will become 10,200,000 for discussion for projects.

02:57:45.973 --> 02:57:47.973
Yeah.

02:57:50.773 --> 02:57:52.773
So on top of the 12 already 12 million.

02:57:54.133 --> 02:57:56.133
Right as I understood it it was an additional 10 million

02:57:57.453 --> 02:57:59.453
on top of the staff recommendation.

02:58:00.213 --> 02:58:02.973
Of the 12 point.
Six changes, 200,000 moving from the staff

02:58:05.130 --> 02:58:07.130
recommendation into the amount to be.

02:58:07.973 --> 02:58:09.533
Considered.
So 22.662 thousand is going to go to this committee.

02:58:15.813 --> 02:58:18.213
No not only the.
Ten, just the two.

02:58:18.813 --> 02:58:20.813
So we're going to approve the projects.

02:58:22.214 --> 02:58:25.174
So just yes.
So we're approving of this,
I'm just trying to be clear, transparent with the public

02:58:26.374 --> 02:58:28.374
so we're approving the projects as is here.

02:58:28.974 --> 02:58:30.294
Yeah.
So we're kicking 10 million to the committee.

02:58:31.414 --> 02:58:33.734
And this council has made it clear
that these projects they fill a. Second.

02:58:35.140 --> 02:58:37.214
Thank you. OK.
It's pardon me, it's actually 10.2, 10.2 to the committee.

02:58:40.614 --> 02:58:42.614
And then this is staff recommendation less to.

02:58:43.294 --> 02:58:45.294
OK, quick roll call vote, please.

02:58:45.934 --> 02:58:48.294
Just one quick question, if I may.
I just want to confirm that

02:58:49.174 --> 02:58:51.174
this will allow us to close the books for that fiscal year.

02:58:52.974 --> 02:58:54.974
This vote will

02:58:55.294 --> 02:58:56.974
I'm sorry.
We need

02:58:57.774 --> 02:58:59.774
we need to confirm that the full amount

02:59:00.374 --> 02:59:02.374
is restricted or reserved for future appropriation the.

02:59:04.854 --> 02:59:07.334
10 million to 10.2 million.
There, 10.2 in addition to OK,

02:59:10.415 --> 02:59:12.415
10.2 is because we took 200,000 off the 12.9.

02:59:15.215 --> 02:59:17.215
So is it 12.7 plus 10.2. OK

02:59:19.655 --> 02:59:21.655
see that that that's why we needed to talk it out.

02:59:22.975 --> 02:59:25.550
We need. Clarity here.
We're yeah. Yeah. Got it.

02:59:27.695 --> 02:59:29.695
Before we go to the roll call vote,

02:59:30.175 --> 02:59:32.695
I apologize to my colleagues.
Councilmember right.

02:59:33.495 --> 02:59:36.375
I've got to
so I can't.

02:59:37.775 --> 02:59:39.775
Really vote for

02:59:40.150 --> 02:59:42.150
ten, $10 million you know additional

02:59:43.375 --> 02:59:45.375
coming out of reserves

02:59:45.735 --> 02:59:48.615
that amount to me
as much as I'd like to chop off a lot of the projects

02:59:52.455 --> 02:59:54.455
we have on our list I just believe

02:59:56.855 --> 02:59:58.855
that that amount is too large.

02:59:59.150 --> 03:00:01.150
I can't vote for an amount that large.

03:00:01.960 --> 03:00:03.960
I could vote for something 5 million or less, but

03:00:05.216 --> 03:00:07.216
not 10 million

03:00:07.456 --> 03:00:10.456
really doesn't get anything done.
Mayor, if I might. Yes.

03:00:11.296 --> 03:00:13.296
Understand that by the action tonight,

03:00:13.496 --> 03:00:15.496
all you're doing is referring that to the committee.

03:00:17.776 --> 03:00:19.776
The committee will have that universe of projects

03:00:21.976 --> 03:00:23.536
within that
budget number to consider, and it may recommend, in fact,

03:00:26.576 --> 03:00:28.576
that some of the money goes back into the reserves.

03:00:28.776 --> 03:00:31.960
So you're not spending anything.
All you're doing is putting a certain amount of money into a

03:00:34.776 --> 03:00:36.776
an analysis that it's

03:00:37.560 --> 03:00:39.856
that this committee would undertake,
which may or may not result

03:00:39.976 --> 03:00:41.976
in additional recommendations for expenditures.

03:00:42.336 --> 03:00:44.856
In the committee we're talking about
is the Budget Finance and Economic

03:00:45.816 --> 03:00:47.816
Development Committee that was just reinstated today.

03:00:48.496 --> 03:00:50.296
That would normally.
Be the committee that would deal with this sort of thing.

03:00:51.457 --> 03:00:53.457
OK, which if the public did not read that consent item

03:00:56.257 --> 03:00:58.257
that was approved, which would then be chaired

03:01:00.570 --> 03:01:02.570
by Councilmember Cannava Vice Chair,

03:01:04.537 --> 03:01:06.537
Councilmember Joe Black and then member councilmember.

03:01:09.417 --> 03:01:11.497
Right.
With Councilmember Fugazi as an alternate.

03:01:12.817 --> 03:01:14.817
So that is the

03:01:15.577 --> 03:01:17.417
committee that this
would be sent to. OK,

03:01:19.777 --> 03:01:21.777
um, and then we did have one more comment

03:01:22.657 --> 03:01:24.657
from Councilmember warmly.

03:01:25.937 --> 03:01:27.937
I just need some clarification.

03:01:28.417 --> 03:01:30.417
Uh, Councilmember Joe Black, you are taking, what, now.

03:01:34.337 --> 03:01:36.337
5 million out of working capital and 5 million

03:01:36.577 --> 03:01:38.577
out of contingency. No, the 220.

03:01:39.657 --> 03:01:41.657
Oh that's the, the, the study that at this point

03:01:42.418 --> 03:01:45.298
I think is unnecessary because the,
the pool assessment should cover that.

03:01:46.578 --> 03:01:48.698
OK, ok.
Thank you for that clarity.

03:01:52.698 --> 03:01:54.338
Thank you.
City Clerk Roll call vote, please.

03:01:55.618 --> 03:01:57.818
Councilmember Walmsley.
Yes. Councilmember Canapé. No.

03:01:59.938 --> 03:02:01.938
Councilmember Joe Black. Yes.

03:02:02.458 --> 03:02:04.458
Councilmember Lentz. No.

03:02:06.138 --> 03:02:08.138
Councilmember Right. No.

03:02:08.818 --> 03:02:10.818
Vice Mayor. Fugazi. Yes.

03:02:11.980 --> 03:02:13.980
Mayor Lincoln. Yes.

03:02:13.378 --> 03:02:15.378
Motion passes.

03:02:18.580 --> 03:02:20.580
Four to three with vote

03:02:20.980 --> 03:02:22.778
with Councilmember Right. Councilmember
Lenz and Councilmember Canopies dissenting.

03:02:25.178 --> 03:02:27.178
So if I may Mayor, if the city attorney could restate

03:02:28.858 --> 03:02:30.858
what you just voted for, just so that we're clear as staff

03:02:32.619 --> 03:02:34.619
as to what you did tonight

03:02:35.339 --> 03:02:37.339
right as I understood the staff recommendation

03:02:38.190 --> 03:02:40.190
for all of the items presented.

03:02:43.259 --> 03:02:45.779
In the last slide.
The staff recommendation was approved -$200,000

03:02:48.939 --> 03:02:50.939
for the pool study, which is which has not been approved.

03:02:52.419 --> 03:02:54.419
Additionally, the city council directed staff to engage

03:02:57.699 --> 03:02:59.699
with the Budget and Finance or the Budget Committee

03:03:02.139 --> 03:03:04.139
and look at taking $5 million

03:03:04.699 --> 03:03:06.699
each from two reserve

03:03:08.539 --> 03:03:10.539
sources and consider what projects,

03:03:11.219 --> 03:03:13.219
if any, may be appropriate for the use of those funds.

03:03:14.659 --> 03:03:16.659
And City Attorney for clarification,

03:03:16.699 --> 03:03:18.539
can you let me know
how many dollars we're still putting in working capital?

03:03:20.580 --> 03:03:22.580
And in no contingency are we putting zero in

03:03:24.540 --> 03:03:26.860
or how many dollars at this point,
if we took those away,

03:03:27.180 --> 03:03:29.180
are still going into those things that it. Would be the.

03:03:29.620 --> 03:03:31.620
Amount minus the five each.

03:03:32.220 --> 03:03:34.220
As they we're putting in 3030 8,000,030 million still.

03:03:40.220 --> 03:03:42.220
That your known contingency

03:03:42.780 --> 03:03:44.780
of 46.8 would be reduced by five to 41.8.

03:03:47.140 --> 03:03:48.980
And your working
capital of 42.6 would be reduced by five to 37.6.

03:03:52.820 --> 03:03:54.820
Still a lot of money.

03:04:00.380 --> 03:04:03.100
OK thank you.
Agenda item 15.2

03:04:04.940 --> 03:04:06.940
the work city staff to pursue available county funding

03:04:12.261 --> 03:04:13.661
attorney.
Mike, please.

03:04:14.941 --> 03:04:17.741
Can you hear me now? Yes.
Hi, I'm Marla Livingood.

03:04:18.210 --> 03:04:20.210
I am the senior policy advisor to Mayor Lincoln.

03:04:21.221 --> 03:04:23.581
I'm going to talk about
this direction, this proposal to direct staff to pursue

03:04:26.581 --> 03:04:28.581
county funding recently Mayor Lincoln and Councilmember

03:04:30.421 --> 03:04:32.421
Wright met with County Administrator Jay Wolverton.

03:04:34.821 --> 03:04:36.821
The county administrator shared that there is an availability

03:04:38.210 --> 03:04:40.210
of one time funding in the amount of 6.5 million

03:04:42.421 --> 03:04:44.421
for to address homelessness.

03:04:45.421 --> 03:04:47.421
The opportunity is now coming before the full council

03:04:49.341 --> 03:04:51.341
the slides apologize.

03:04:52.210 --> 03:04:54.210
The slides provide information on a meeting where I sat down

03:04:56.101 --> 03:04:58.101
with the county administrator and staff to go over

03:04:59.861 --> 03:05:01.861
what was available, and should the council

03:05:01.982 --> 03:05:04.702
wish to pursue this funding,
they would need to give direction to staff.

03:05:06.902 --> 03:05:08.902
So first off, what is the funding for?

03:05:09.822 --> 03:05:11.822
In short, the city would need to apply

03:05:13.302 --> 03:05:15.302
for funding to align with the continuum of care

03:05:15.942 --> 03:05:17.942
to address homelessness and there's three elements

03:05:19.982 --> 03:05:21.982
that the poor excuse me, the plan would have to have

03:05:23.302 --> 03:05:25.302
a location, an operator, and a funding stream

03:05:29.742 --> 03:05:31.742
if the city wanted to pursue this.

03:05:32.182 --> 03:05:34.182
They are available to meet with the county

03:05:34.862 --> 03:05:36.862
and talk about different project proposals.

03:05:37.102 --> 03:05:39.102
Once an idea is developed,

03:05:39.302 --> 03:05:41.302
the city would need to prepare a proposal that has a background

03:05:42.382 --> 03:05:44.382
project, overview, timeline, and a budget inclusive of this

03:05:47.342 --> 03:05:49.342
I'm so sorry I'm tongue tied tonight inclusive of estimates,

03:05:50.783 --> 03:05:52.783
and we would need to demonstrate why county support

03:05:53.343 --> 03:05:55.343
is needed to complete the project

03:05:56.623 --> 03:05:58.623
funding availability again is 6.5 million.

03:06:00.543 --> 03:06:02.543
It's a one time capital outlay grant.

03:06:03.823 --> 03:06:05.823
If there is a greater need that the city identifies

03:06:07.103 --> 03:06:09.103
we can request that from the county

03:06:09.583 --> 03:06:11.583
and the funds would be available on an expenditure

03:06:12.583 --> 03:06:14.583
reimbursement basis.

03:06:16.743 --> 03:06:18.743
Timing is quick.

03:06:19.230 --> 03:06:20.503
The county
would need to know by February if this was something that the

03:06:22.663 --> 03:06:24.663
that the city wanted to pursue because that's

03:06:25.143 --> 03:06:27.463
when they're going to start budgeting
for the next fiscal year and would reallocate those funds

03:06:31.503 --> 03:06:33.503
our recommendation from the mayor's office

03:06:33.623 --> 03:06:35.623
is to provide direction to city staff to pursue this

03:06:39.383 --> 03:06:41.383
funding to address homelessness within the city of Stockton.

03:06:43.640 --> 03:06:45.640
I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have

03:06:48.424 --> 03:06:51.304
Councilmember Cannava.
So, yes, could this could this possibly go towards

03:06:53.944 --> 03:06:55.944
funding safe camping areas?

03:06:59.344 --> 03:07:01.344
Going forward?

03:07:02.584 --> 03:07:04.584
They're looking to find I don't know if the question

03:07:04.824 --> 03:07:06.824
was for the city manager or whoever.

03:07:07.264 --> 03:07:09.240
Wrote that.
Though barrier was what was discussed.

03:07:10.240 --> 03:07:12.240
And there was talking about having a certain number of beds.

03:07:12.424 --> 03:07:14.744
If we want to do something different,
we would need to go back and discuss that.

03:07:15.664 --> 03:07:17.664
They're very open to the fact that we could sit down

03:07:18.344 --> 03:07:20.744
with county staff
and discuss ideas before we put a project proposal together.

03:07:23.424 --> 03:07:25.424
So if the direction is given to staff,

03:07:26.584 --> 03:07:28.584
we can go sit down, discuss potential ideas that we have

03:07:30.665 --> 03:07:32.945
and see if those fit the guidelines.
But overall,

03:07:32.945 --> 03:07:34.625
it needs to align
with the continuum of care

03:07:35.225 --> 03:07:37.225
and low barrier was what was highlighted in the meeting.

03:07:37.905 --> 03:07:39.905
And then how long do they need perpetual funding to save.

03:07:40.745 --> 03:07:43.465
Three to five years?
Stream of operating funding is needed.

03:07:45.185 --> 03:07:47.865
I think three years would be sufficient,
but three to five years would be the goal. Thank you.

03:07:51.145 --> 03:07:53.625
Did you want out today, City Manager?
I do, yeah.

03:07:55.665 --> 03:07:57.665
I mean, this is this is good.

03:07:57.705 --> 03:08:00.465
There's just a couple of things to consider.
Not to not do this, but to consider so that, you know,

03:08:03.185 --> 03:08:05.185
down the road it's not a surprise to you.

03:08:06.185 --> 03:08:08.185
What I'm seeing here is that the county would make funds

03:08:08.785 --> 03:08:10.785
available on the basis of expenditure reimbursement.

03:08:12.650 --> 03:08:14.650
That could be a problem of the distinction here is

03:08:17.585 --> 03:08:20.385
that the county has provided
other cities in the county funding,

03:08:21.946 --> 03:08:23.946
but those cities are buildings

03:08:24.666 --> 03:08:26.666
homelessness, infrastructure from scratch.

03:08:27.826 --> 03:08:30.786
That's not what we would be doing.
We already have existing infrastructure,

03:08:32.586 --> 03:08:34.586
so we would be looking at them as our partners,

03:08:35.746 --> 03:08:37.746
as in that all of them have capital

03:08:37.986 --> 03:08:39.986
construction programs already underway

03:08:40.260 --> 03:08:42.260
to see how through a competitive process, a No.

03:08:43.146 --> 03:08:45.146
Four process to see how we can provide funding to them.

03:08:46.266 --> 03:08:48.946
So my concern
not to say that is concern enough not to proceed

03:08:50.666 --> 03:08:52.666
because I think proceeding is a good idea,

03:08:53.346 --> 03:08:55.786
but I just want people to understand that
when we get to a certain point that when certain things

03:08:57.226 --> 03:09:00.226
start occurring, it's not a surprise to anybody.
What I mean by that is

03:09:02.226 --> 03:09:04.946
on an expenditure reimbursement.
So who's going to be doing

03:09:06.146 --> 03:09:09.106
who's going to be spending the money first?
So our partners are going to have to spend the money first.

03:09:11.787 --> 03:09:13.787
If in fact they have the money upfront

03:09:14.987 --> 03:09:17.667
before they can get reimbursed
back, they would submit a request

03:09:18.347 --> 03:09:20.627
for reimbursement to us.
We would pass it along to the the county.

03:09:23.707 --> 03:09:25.707
Otherwise we would have to front all of this money

03:09:27.307 --> 03:09:29.827
to get reimbursed back.
But but the reimbursement required as of the county

03:09:32.827 --> 03:09:34.827
would be relying upon us to make certain that

03:09:35.347 --> 03:09:37.347
whoever we provide the funding to are adhering to certain

03:09:38.947 --> 03:09:40.947
requirements, certain standards and guidelines.

03:09:41.827 --> 03:09:43.827
So that would be a lot of work not to guarantee

03:09:45.227 --> 03:09:47.227
that the county would accept that reimbursement requests

03:09:48.747 --> 03:09:50.747
and someone will have already have advanced the money.

03:09:53.187 --> 03:09:55.187
That's just a risk.
But but,

03:09:55.427 --> 03:09:57.427
you know, it's not necessarily saying that that's a risk

03:09:58.867 --> 03:10:01.508
that should stop us from proceeding.
It's a risk that I think we just need to be aware of.

03:10:03.628 --> 03:10:05.628
Could I add on to that? Yes.

03:10:05.708 --> 03:10:07.708
From my discussions, the way that it would work is

03:10:08.308 --> 03:10:10.308
once we provide a proposal

03:10:10.508 --> 03:10:12.508
that proposal will go to the County Board of Supervisors

03:10:13.148 --> 03:10:15.680
as a whole.
It all need to be approved, forfeits, and then at that point

03:10:17.588 --> 03:10:20.468
it would be turned over to general services.
But the money would be approved by the full board

03:10:22.588 --> 03:10:24.588
if we were successful in bringing a project forward.

03:10:25.348 --> 03:10:27.348
So we would have that guarantee in that outline there.

03:10:27.668 --> 03:10:29.908
That's not what you have here.
What you have here is

03:10:29.908 --> 03:10:31.908
you said that the county would make funds available

03:10:32.588 --> 03:10:34.588
on the basis of expenditure reimbursement.

03:10:35.188 --> 03:10:37.228
That means that you've got
to spend the money first to be reimbursed.

03:10:38.788 --> 03:10:40.788
So it's either the city spending that money first

03:10:41.280 --> 03:10:43.280
or whoever our partner who's selected

03:10:43.268 --> 03:10:46.108
will have to be prepared to spend that money
first in order to be reimbursed for it.

03:10:47.228 --> 03:10:49.868
At some other point,
just a distinction, I just think it's important

03:10:50.709 --> 03:10:52.949
for us to understand that.
That's not to say that is that this is not

03:10:54.909 --> 03:10:56.909
a worthwhile endeavor because I believe it is.

03:10:57.669 --> 03:10:59.669
Getting enormously.

03:11:02.309 --> 03:11:04.269
Thank you, Mayor.
So I a couple of things

03:11:06.290 --> 03:11:08.290
as we have grown to know

03:11:09.589 --> 03:11:11.589
about partnerships and times with the county,

03:11:13.949 --> 03:11:15.949
my biggest concern and I've been very open

03:11:16.509 --> 03:11:18.509
and honest about this is mental health

03:11:20.509 --> 03:11:22.509
and is probably substance abuse.

03:11:23.469 --> 03:11:25.469
If we're talking about a reimbursement

03:11:26.829 --> 03:11:28.829
pay to play for lack of better words, I'm concerned about

03:11:31.349 --> 03:11:33.349
whether or not we have nonprofits that has the right

03:11:36.909 --> 03:11:38.909
readiness and sophistication to understand what that means.

03:11:42.750 --> 03:11:44.750
We have seen historically

03:11:45.350 --> 03:11:48.150
I know vice mayor talks about this
all the time that folks come to this chamber

03:11:51.270 --> 03:11:53.270
and they promise us the moon, the stars and the mountain

03:11:54.510 --> 03:11:57.430
and they don't produce.
So I'm really concerned about that

03:12:00.700 --> 03:12:02.700
and the direction that this council may go.

03:12:03.550 --> 03:12:05.550
Now, do we need the help? Absolutely.

03:12:06.270 --> 03:12:08.270
Homelessness has gotten out of control,

03:12:09.150 --> 03:12:11.150
but my concern is what nonprofit

03:12:12.710 --> 03:12:14.710
what agencies have the the sophistication because

03:12:18.150 --> 03:12:20.150
I've seen us fork over money for beds

03:12:21.430 --> 03:12:23.430
and they still sit in that and they still sent money.

03:12:24.550 --> 03:12:26.550
So they still do not go to the shelter.

03:12:27.750 --> 03:12:29.750
So what type of forward thinking project

03:12:31.591 --> 03:12:33.591
can we move forward that really penetrates

03:12:36.151 --> 03:12:38.151
and address the true need of what's happening

03:12:39.671 --> 03:12:42.511
in our homeless population.
We have to talk about mental health.

03:12:43.871 --> 03:12:45.871
We have to talk about substance abuse.

03:12:46.551 --> 03:12:48.551
We have to talk about the fact

03:12:49.591 --> 03:12:51.591
that many of this population

03:12:53.151 --> 03:12:55.151
were former residents of long term mental

03:12:56.191 --> 03:12:58.191
health facilities that do not exist.

03:12:59.231 --> 03:13:01.231
And so I want to support this.

03:13:03.191 --> 03:13:05.191
I want to be a sound body and a sound mind for this.

03:13:07.711 --> 03:13:09.711
But at the same time, I really want to be clear

03:13:10.591 --> 03:13:12.591
about what is realistic

03:13:14.831 --> 03:13:16.831
and you know, the county is

03:13:17.311 --> 03:13:19.311
responsible for providing mental health services.

03:13:20.392 --> 03:13:22.392
The county is responsible for providing

03:13:23.912 --> 03:13:25.912
medical related

03:13:26.792 --> 03:13:28.792
health services that do not happen.

03:13:29.672 --> 03:13:31.672
We have law enforcement that is proactively

03:13:34.952 --> 03:13:36.952
out there in the slews dealing with

03:13:38.432 --> 03:13:40.432
this issue that probably is overly overwhelming to them

03:13:43.512 --> 03:13:45.512
because they want to school and did their educational run

03:13:47.832 --> 03:13:49.832
to enforce law, not enforce treatment and care.

03:13:51.992 --> 03:13:53.992
So how do we maneuver this in a way

03:13:56.232 --> 03:13:58.232
that we are really kind of

03:13:58.432 --> 03:14:00.432
hitting the head on the the the how are we really,

03:14:03.232 --> 03:14:05.232
you know, addressing the issue that that is my concern.

03:14:07.432 --> 03:14:09.432
That is my thoughts about a proposal

03:14:10.953 --> 03:14:12.953
moving forward.

03:14:14.393 --> 03:14:16.393
Vice Mayor Fogarty.

03:14:16.673 --> 03:14:18.113
Thank you.
I share some similar concerns.

03:14:20.730 --> 03:14:22.730
I also am appreciative that we have the ad hoc committee

03:14:23.113 --> 03:14:25.113
where I'm hopeful, hopeful that we can flesh some of this out.

03:14:26.193 --> 03:14:28.193
I can tell you right now we have about a hundred

03:14:29.193 --> 03:14:31.193
homeless students at Edison

03:14:33.330 --> 03:14:35.330
right now who have siblings that are also homeless.

03:14:36.433 --> 03:14:39.233
That then creates
there's chronic absenteeism as a result of that.

03:14:42.873 --> 03:14:45.193
You know, where are you sleeping?
Are you even getting any sleep?

03:14:46.753 --> 03:14:48.753
One of the students has lost or broken 12.

03:14:51.473 --> 03:14:53.473
Chromebooks 12. Chromebooks.

03:14:55.730 --> 03:14:57.730
I am like, I want to help some of these families

03:14:59.993 --> 03:15:01.993
get into housing and for whatever reason

03:15:03.434 --> 03:15:05.434
which it is mental health, it is substance abuse.

03:15:06.914 --> 03:15:08.914
I know it for a fact.

03:15:08.994 --> 03:15:10.994
You know, some won't accept the help that's given them.

03:15:13.194 --> 03:15:15.194
But we're going to keep talking about this,

03:15:16.874 --> 03:15:18.874
you know, until I'm long off this council.

03:15:20.394 --> 03:15:22.394
We've been talking about it almost since I got on here.

03:15:22.714 --> 03:15:24.714
So my question is, so then this is in arrears.

03:15:26.674 --> 03:15:28.674
So we would be paying them in arrears.

03:15:29.674 --> 03:15:31.674
They would because I'll tell you,

03:15:32.740 --> 03:15:34.740
I don't want us to go and buy another property either.

03:15:35.274 --> 03:15:37.274
I do not think the city should be owning any more properties

03:15:39.514 --> 03:15:41.514
because we got to take care of the properties that we have

03:15:41.714 --> 03:15:43.554
and we just got through this
whole discussion about things we can't afford to maintain.

03:15:46.474 --> 03:15:49.474
So I will just say, speaking personally, I'd
rather have it already be an existing built ready to go

03:15:51.795 --> 03:15:53.795
we just need to add a few bells and whistles to it,

03:15:54.915 --> 03:15:56.875
have an operator
and there are some proven operators in this community.

03:16:00.715 --> 03:16:02.715
One that I spoke to today

03:16:04.595 --> 03:16:06.595
that has developed extensive programing

03:16:09.155 --> 03:16:11.155
at their location and increased bed space

03:16:13.750 --> 03:16:15.750
since I've been on council more than three times

03:16:16.195 --> 03:16:18.195
what it was at the beginning of my time on this council.

03:16:18.555 --> 03:16:20.555
So there are operators out there

03:16:23.195 --> 03:16:25.195
but in terms of what the county is,

03:16:26.555 --> 03:16:28.555
I know they would rather us just purchase a place.

03:16:28.875 --> 03:16:30.875
Here's the money, purchase it

03:16:31.555 --> 03:16:33.555
but I'm concerned about that.

03:16:33.995 --> 03:16:35.995
But if they give us money to help with

03:16:37.155 --> 03:16:39.155
whatever location we decide, I mean, is that a possibility?

03:16:40.716 --> 03:16:42.716
Or do we have to purchase something?

03:16:43.156 --> 03:16:45.156
I, I think all things are on the table.

03:16:45.396 --> 03:16:47.276
It's one time
capital outlay, but they're willing to talk

03:16:48.636 --> 03:16:51.196
to us and discuss ideas.
Ultimately, as long as it's in line with the continuum of care.

03:16:53.436 --> 03:16:55.716
If you made a.
Directional, a five year lease or a three to five year lease.

03:16:58.836 --> 03:17:01.196
We didn't talk about it.
Talk about leases.

03:17:01.196 --> 03:17:03.196
But if you made a recommendation to staff,

03:17:03.396 --> 03:17:05.396
they could go sit down with county staff

03:17:05.756 --> 03:17:07.756
or even the ad hoc committee and have those conversations.

03:17:09.516 --> 03:17:11.516
Perhaps you decide not to pursue it after those the

03:17:12.156 --> 03:17:14.156
initial conversation, but the opportunities there

03:17:14.916 --> 03:17:16.716
and the willingness from
the county is there to to contribute.

03:17:17.796 --> 03:17:20.596
Because I definitely want to do something,
but I don't want us to

03:17:21.636 --> 03:17:23.636
own another property that we then are on the hook.

03:17:24.996 --> 03:17:26.716
Councilmember. Right.
And I initially met with the CEO,

03:17:29.876 --> 03:17:31.876
Jay Jay will retain from the county and counsel.

03:17:33.370 --> 03:17:35.370
There was a question that Councilmember Wright brought up.

03:17:36.157 --> 03:17:38.157
So their issue

03:17:39.557 --> 03:17:41.557
is is that we are addressing the needs here in Stockton.

03:17:42.757 --> 03:17:44.757
And as MZ Livengood said,

03:17:45.757 --> 03:17:47.757
they're flexible about meeting

03:17:47.877 --> 03:17:49.877
with us and working out the details on this.

03:17:51.317 --> 03:17:53.317
They're they they do expect there

03:17:54.637 --> 03:17:56.637
to be some kind of

03:17:58.370 --> 03:18:00.370
physical manifestation here

03:18:00.717 --> 03:18:02.717
there is going to be a need for four beds,

03:18:03.277 --> 03:18:05.277
as you said, you know, so now what form does that take?

03:18:06.677 --> 03:18:09.157
Are they canvas tents?
Are they, you know, inside a canvas tent?

03:18:11.370 --> 03:18:13.370
Are they in a brick and mortar building

03:18:14.197 --> 03:18:16.197
that's being run by one of our partners?

03:18:16.317 --> 03:18:18.317
And can we expand money to that?

03:18:18.757 --> 03:18:20.757
I did not hear a direct no from the the the county on them.

03:18:24.318 --> 03:18:26.318
They they seemed very, very willing to collaborate with us.

03:18:28.638 --> 03:18:30.838
On this.
It's the I think the comment we exchanged several times,

03:18:33.358 --> 03:18:36.158
it's not a good look for them
to leave money sitting on the table.

03:18:37.380 --> 03:18:39.398
And it's not a good look for us.
Good luck for us not to take it.

03:18:40.198 --> 03:18:42.198
So if there is a way for us to do this, I'm

03:18:42.918 --> 03:18:45.918
very excited about the possibility
of meeting the needs of

03:18:46.438 --> 03:18:48.438
especially those people that have possessions, pets

03:18:49.380 --> 03:18:50.918
and partners.
And I'm in support of that and excited about that too.

03:18:52.918 --> 03:18:55.878
I just rather look at maybe a lease
if they would be allows a brick and mortar a lease

03:18:58.398 --> 03:19:00.118
because then we don't have
to build it from the ground up and we don't have it was to.

03:19:02.478 --> 03:19:04.478
To my understanding was more about the three to five years.

03:19:05.398 --> 03:19:07.398
That was the that was the direct commitment

03:19:07.798 --> 03:19:10.118
they were expecting from us.
If I may, Mayor.

03:19:10.479 --> 03:19:12.479
Yes. Yeah, I spoke to the county administrator last Friday, and

03:19:15.999 --> 03:19:17.999
and we had a good conversation and they are open, flexible.

03:19:20.999 --> 03:19:22.999
And so I gave him sort of

03:19:24.959 --> 03:19:27.679
shared with him what
our thinking would likely be on something like this.

03:19:30.599 --> 03:19:32.599
You know, obviously there's more than one way to skin a cat.

03:19:33.439 --> 03:19:36.159
As the vice mayor said.
I would not recommend that you authorize buying real estate

03:19:40.559 --> 03:19:42.559
or or anything of that nature

03:19:43.799 --> 03:19:45.799
because it's just too too risky.

03:19:45.879 --> 03:19:47.879
However, in the end game is to increase

03:19:51.159 --> 03:19:53.159
our overall inventory by

03:19:53.639 --> 03:19:55.639
some number with respect to low barrier beds.

03:19:56.999 --> 03:19:58.999
So there are a variety of ways to do that.

03:19:59.519 --> 03:20:01.519
What I would most likely propose to you all is that

03:20:03.920 --> 03:20:05.920
and I've conveyed this to the county administrator

03:20:07.320 --> 03:20:09.320
and he was OK with it, that we would likely issue a no for

03:20:12.960 --> 03:20:15.760
a competitive no for that.
That answers all of the important stuff

03:20:17.280 --> 03:20:19.680
that we care about
in terms of outcomes and results that we want to see.

03:20:21.840 --> 03:20:24.520
We're not going to tell them how to do it.
We're just going to say this is what we're looking to achieve

03:20:26.120 --> 03:20:28.120
and see what comes in when a project by project basis.

03:20:30.200 --> 03:20:32.200
And then we would package something up

03:20:32.760 --> 03:20:34.760
that would come to you for discussion and

03:20:36.320 --> 03:20:38.320
and ultimately to approve for the city manager

03:20:40.600 --> 03:20:42.600
to transmit to the county administrator as a request.

03:20:44.880 --> 03:20:46.680
So I think
it's a pretty simple process

03:20:49.600 --> 03:20:51.600
and we have a tremendous amount of experience doing it

03:20:52.441 --> 03:20:54.641
this way.
Like I said, my only thing is please keep in mind

03:20:56.241 --> 03:20:58.241
that you got to spend this money in order to get it.

03:21:01.100 --> 03:21:03.641
You see, that's the key thing here.
So who's going to spend the money first?

03:21:04.721 --> 03:21:07.100
Is it going to be the city
or is it going to be one of our providers, partners who

03:21:09.601 --> 03:21:11.601
may not have the ability

03:21:13.410 --> 03:21:15.410
from a cash flow management standpoint to do that?

03:21:16.441 --> 03:21:18.441
I don't know.

03:21:18.641 --> 03:21:20.641
I say we can try to figure out a way around that,

03:21:21.481 --> 03:21:24.361
but I just
think that's important for you to understand
that they're not going to give a $6.5 million one day one,

03:21:27.281 --> 03:21:29.281
we spend a dollar what they spend the dollar.

03:21:29.721 --> 03:21:31.721
We put in a request to get a dollar back.

03:21:34.561 --> 03:21:37.161
As our councilmember.
Burns, did you have a comment

03:21:43.602 --> 03:21:46.362
Councilmember Cannava.
So what was attractive to me was some of those

03:21:49.242 --> 03:21:51.242
back in the day when we had the Homeless

03:21:52.200 --> 03:21:54.200
Unsheltered Population Task Force was those hotels

03:21:56.122 --> 03:21:58.122
that were willing to run the program.

03:21:59.602 --> 03:22:00.962
I mean,
this would be the perfect opportunity for doing that.

03:22:03.482 --> 03:22:06.420
I don't know if it was over there
by the by the Eden Park, but I mean, there was

03:22:08.282 --> 03:22:10.762
I don't know if that's still available,
but for something like that, I think it would be great.

03:22:12.322 --> 03:22:14.322
I don't forget how many beds they were able to offer.

03:22:15.362 --> 03:22:17.562
90 rooms.
Was it 90 and two per room or was it 45?

03:22:20.122 --> 03:22:22.442
Some are larger.
So I think I think if that could come up in conversation,

03:22:24.242 --> 03:22:26.242
you know, so going forward, I don't know where we send it,

03:22:28.820 --> 03:22:30.763
but I am kind of concerned about the money.
I mean,

03:22:30.763 --> 03:22:32.763
and would we be able to get the whole 6.5 million or

03:22:34.123 --> 03:22:36.123
what percentage of that would we get is

03:22:36.603 --> 03:22:39.283
can we get some clarity on that first
and how how the spending and payback occurs?

03:22:41.523 --> 03:22:43.523
I assume that

03:22:43.683 --> 03:22:45.683
if we have one of our partners to do this for us,

03:22:46.763 --> 03:22:48.763
they're going to submit reimbursement

03:22:48.923 --> 03:22:50.923
request to us for some criteria that we give them.

03:22:52.763 --> 03:22:54.763
The county may have its own criteria as well,

03:22:55.443 --> 03:22:57.443
you know, and the application the criteria is going to is

03:22:58.803 --> 03:23:00.803
going to vary from whoever is is is looking at to the requests.

03:23:03.830 --> 03:23:05.123
At any point in time.
You may look at

03:23:05.603 --> 03:23:07.603
application of criteria a different way than I do.

03:23:08.363 --> 03:23:10.363
You know, again, it's just important to understand

03:23:12.243 --> 03:23:15.430
that that is an element of this.
That's the only reason why I'm bringing it up

03:23:15.803 --> 03:23:17.803
so that when we do something which I hope we are going to do,

03:23:19.243 --> 03:23:21.564
nobody's caught off guard.
Nobody's surprised by it.

03:23:22.564 --> 03:23:24.564
So just the added,

03:23:24.924 --> 03:23:26.924
we save that 10% of that one money of the 12 million.

03:23:29.204 --> 03:23:32.124
So I mean, you basically I don't know
how long we had to spend that, but I mean you could use that.

03:23:33.924 --> 03:23:35.924
As 20, 24, 20, 24.

03:23:36.444 --> 03:23:38.444
So you could use that as a base to supplant that until we

03:23:40.164 --> 03:23:42.164
reimbursed or with that something like that work.

03:23:42.204 --> 03:23:44.204
Or if that's what you would like to do

03:23:47.440 --> 03:23:48.524
you have the.
Ability to reserve so that you get to have 500,000 or a million

03:23:51.364 --> 03:23:53.364
and as whoever spends it spends it could be,

03:23:54.324 --> 03:23:57.164
you could pay that back or.
Well see the other thing too is, is

03:23:59.484 --> 03:24:02.484
this whole reimbursement thing concerns me
only getting back to what I said earlier about staff,

03:24:05.404 --> 03:24:07.164
it's going to take
several people to oversee something like that

03:24:08.764 --> 03:24:11.165
because you're going to have reimbursement
requests coming in.

03:24:11.165 --> 03:24:13.165
They're going to be have to be verified and validated.

03:24:13.525 --> 03:24:15.525
Somebody is going to do site
visits that's going to take staff away

03:24:18.645 --> 03:24:21.245
from this other stuff that we're doing.
Then you think there's a management fee in there?

03:24:21.845 --> 03:24:23.845
Excuse me? There's got to be a management fee. I'm sorry.

03:24:24.245 --> 03:24:27.450
There's got to be a.
That's not the important thing here.

03:24:27.485 --> 03:24:29.485
The important thing is productivity in terms of staff.

03:24:29.765 --> 03:24:32.565
Who do we have to do it? That's it.
That's that's more important than the money is, is

03:24:35.245 --> 03:24:36.765
who am I going
to have to take away from something today to do this?

03:24:39.500 --> 03:24:41.500
OK, you see what I'm saying? Because

03:24:41.325 --> 03:24:43.325
they can't do everything.

03:24:43.805 --> 03:24:46.445
Vice Minister Fugazi.
Yes. Just a couple of things.

03:24:49.765 --> 03:24:52.365
You know,
there is the brick and mortar cost,

03:24:53.525 --> 03:24:55.525
which I was saying, you know, possibly a lease.

03:24:56.965 --> 03:24:58.965
And what I think is good about that

03:24:59.645 --> 03:25:01.726
is that we could have
more than one location instead of having everybody,

03:25:03.726 --> 03:25:05.726
you know, necessarily in one location.

03:25:05.806 --> 03:25:08.686
Then there's the operation and maintenance
and the operation and maintenance

03:25:09.460 --> 03:25:11.460
is what we're on the the hook then for.

03:25:13.446 --> 03:25:15.446
And as far as reimbursement, I mean,

03:25:15.646 --> 03:25:17.646
we kind of already do that with home ESG CDBG.

03:25:18.646 --> 03:25:21.646
But this would be on steroids, obviously,
because this is a much bigger project.

03:25:25.166 --> 03:25:27.166
And it's mostly us doing the reimbursement requesting

03:25:28.446 --> 03:25:30.446
not not to third party in some cases,

03:25:30.526 --> 03:25:32.526
which is why we know what the capacity

03:25:34.406 --> 03:25:36.406
capability is out there in terms of that nonprofit network.

03:25:38.886 --> 03:25:40.886
Which is which is why I recommend

03:25:41.286 --> 03:25:43.286
potentially a lease that there's the contract.

03:25:44.406 --> 03:25:46.406
This is the amount, this is what's paid.

03:25:46.686 --> 03:25:48.686
Just like when we had our press conference the other day

03:25:50.600 --> 03:25:52.600
and we talked with the Housing Authority

03:25:52.967 --> 03:25:55.807
and they paid the first of the month
or whatnot that this would be paid on the you know,

03:25:57.967 --> 03:25:59.967
whatever the leases is, a three or five year, I don't know.

03:26:01.870 --> 03:26:03.870
But if this was, you know,

03:26:04.127 --> 03:26:06.127
I said it is so simple, it would it would have been done

03:26:09.327 --> 03:26:11.327
we we've been talking about this.

03:26:11.647 --> 03:26:13.647
We had the two by two by two.

03:26:14.470 --> 03:26:16.127
We've been here.
We had a whole council special workshop on this,

03:26:19.700 --> 03:26:21.700
and we're still here at point zero.

03:26:23.847 --> 03:26:25.847
So I just want us to do something at this point.

03:26:29.247 --> 03:26:31.607
Something.
And we cannot have

03:26:33.127 --> 03:26:35.127
the Slew and the Calaveras.

03:26:35.847 --> 03:26:37.847
And people are living in absolute squalor.

03:26:40.688 --> 03:26:42.688
I mean, it is

03:26:43.928 --> 03:26:46.128
I when I drive
by, I look and I can't believe it.

03:26:48.608 --> 03:26:50.608
I seriously cannot believe

03:26:50.728 --> 03:26:52.728
how people in the United States of America

03:26:53.248 --> 03:26:55.248
are living on our streets

03:26:57.488 --> 03:26:59.488
I took Sutter between Hazelton on my way down.

03:27:00.688 --> 03:27:03.488
I went up and down Aurora.
I drove the whole thing just looking and

03:27:08.808 --> 03:27:10.808
my dogs live better

03:27:13.528 --> 03:27:15.528
and when I say that out loud, I actually feel really guilty.

03:27:17.448 --> 03:27:19.448
I feel really guilty that my dogs live inside with me.

03:27:21.808 --> 03:27:24.608
And get fed
and I rub their ears and, you know, scratch their noses.

03:27:27.608 --> 03:27:29.608
And I actually feel guilty that my dogs live

03:27:30.729 --> 03:27:32.729
better than people in our community.

03:27:33.889 --> 03:27:35.889
And the fact that I,

03:27:35.969 --> 03:27:37.969
I don't know how anybody you know,

03:27:39.369 --> 03:27:41.369
I never thought I would see that here.

03:27:41.769 --> 03:27:43.489
Here.
And I've traveled all places in the World

03:27:46.249 --> 03:27:48.249
Health East Asia, I mean, where people don't

03:27:48.529 --> 03:27:50.529
even have electricity. Um,

03:27:52.369 --> 03:27:54.890
and guess what?
We have people that don't have electricity.

03:27:55.769 --> 03:27:57.769
There are going to be cold.

03:27:58.329 --> 03:28:00.329
Um, I can't stand being cold.

03:28:00.569 --> 03:28:02.769
Just can't stand it.
So at some point, we as a council have to move forward.

03:28:05.249 --> 03:28:07.249
We can't just keep talking about this.

03:28:07.609 --> 03:28:09.729
I know it's a risk.
I know it's a chance, but we have to do something.

03:28:12.890 --> 03:28:14.890
Thank you.

03:28:14.369 --> 03:28:16.369
Council Councilmember Wamsley.

03:28:17.729 --> 03:28:20.649
Yeah, sorry.
Um, so just thinking about

03:28:24.330 --> 03:28:26.330
the city manager's point about

03:28:26.890 --> 03:28:28.890
staff limitation and capacity, is it possible to do an RFP

03:28:31.730 --> 03:28:33.730
and hire a consultant and just to do invoices

03:28:36.570 --> 03:28:39.250
to help build this
and support this project?

03:28:41.810 --> 03:28:43.810
So what I hopefully I'm trying to say

03:28:44.850 --> 03:28:46.850
is that what I suggested earlier in terms of an approach

03:28:49.530 --> 03:28:51.530
is something that I think would be manageable for us

03:28:53.850 --> 03:28:55.850
having thought about it.

03:28:56.900 --> 03:28:58.900
So as as long as we go

03:28:58.330 --> 03:29:00.330
in a direction similar to what I just shared with you,

03:29:04.130 --> 03:29:06.130
I think we we can do this in a way

03:29:07.650 --> 03:29:09.650
that's that's manageable.

03:29:10.891 --> 03:29:12.891
And and yes, as a part of that, we may

03:29:13.371 --> 03:29:15.971
we may need to use some other funds
to bring in some outside assistance

03:29:17.731 --> 03:29:20.531
from an administrative standpoint.
Yeah. OK, perfect.

03:29:21.510 --> 03:29:23.510
And then so moving forward, because I think there's already

03:29:25.110 --> 03:29:28.110
we've had a lot of conversations,
had a lot of conversations.

03:29:28.771 --> 03:29:30.771
What is the next step in

03:29:31.771 --> 03:29:33.771
building the process to build out this vision?

03:29:34.931 --> 03:29:37.691
What is the next steps here?
Because I really want to be transparent.

03:29:39.411 --> 03:29:41.571
And as a councilmember,
I really want to be informed as well.

03:29:43.171 --> 03:29:45.171
So moving this process forward, what will this look like.

03:29:47.691 --> 03:29:50.531
What we can do
and that the county has sort of given us

03:29:53.331 --> 03:29:55.331
a window of time to for it to be able to turn this around.

03:29:58.571 --> 03:30:00.571
February is, I believe, the month

03:30:01.772 --> 03:30:03.772
that yeah, the budget process starts in February.

03:30:04.652 --> 03:30:06.652
So the next step would be sort

03:30:09.172 --> 03:30:11.172
of putting together a quick

03:30:13.932 --> 03:30:16.692
concept
that could serve as the focal point of a notice

03:30:18.532 --> 03:30:20.532
of funding availability to send to you all

03:30:22.332 --> 03:30:24.332
for feedback and comment.

03:30:25.972 --> 03:30:27.972
Then once you're OK with it, then we can go ahead and start

03:30:28.932 --> 03:30:31.692
developing the Nova.
I would love to be able to get a Nova out before Christmas

03:30:34.772 --> 03:30:36.772
so that the stuff comes in in January so that we can assess

03:30:38.452 --> 03:30:40.452
it, negotiate to the extent that we need to negotiate

03:30:42.492 --> 03:30:44.492
and then have a package for you all in February to look at

03:30:47.732 --> 03:30:49.732
and to act on so that we can get that over to the county.

03:30:51.930 --> 03:30:53.930
So those would be the next series of steps.

03:30:54.813 --> 03:30:57.133
Councilmember Cannava.
I was just going to make a motion, but I see another way.

03:30:58.333 --> 03:31:00.333
It's always.

03:31:00.573 --> 03:31:02.653
Very smart for guys.
And no I would second your motion if you made it,

03:31:05.253 --> 03:31:07.253
but this is very specific.

03:31:08.530 --> 03:31:10.173
It's giving directions.
City Staff to pursue available funding.

03:31:11.253 --> 03:31:13.493
Correction
if I may,
this is going to sound petty and small,

03:31:14.213 --> 03:31:16.213
but give direction to the city manager.

03:31:16.293 --> 03:31:18.293
Yes, OK, but that's what the recommendation.

03:31:18.933 --> 03:31:20.893
So go ahead.
So no, I was going to say that so give this direction, the city

03:31:23.533 --> 03:31:25.533
manager to find out how the funding will be

03:31:27.173 --> 03:31:29.173
and offer an offer for availability

03:31:32.533 --> 03:31:34.893
second.
John City is clarifying that.

03:31:37.813 --> 03:31:40.453
The same as the recommendation
or is that something different and.

03:31:42.934 --> 03:31:44.934
What do we.

03:31:46.940 --> 03:31:48.940
Know?
One thing I was brought up to.
Find out about the reimbursement,

03:31:49.414 --> 03:31:51.574
isn't that one of the concerns or.
No, we're just going to go forward and figure that out.

03:31:52.534 --> 03:31:55.414
I'll come back.
If I may. Mr.
City Attorney,

03:31:55.774 --> 03:31:57.374
the thing is,
once we submit something to them,

03:31:58.574 --> 03:32:00.574
then we have something that we can talk about with them.

03:32:01.254 --> 03:32:03.254
So that would be one of the things that we would deal with.

03:32:03.814 --> 03:32:05.814
But the key is getting a package over to them

03:32:06.540 --> 03:32:08.534
so that we can have something to talk about.
OK, so giving direction to city manager

03:32:09.334 --> 03:32:11.334
to present available county funding to address homelessness

03:32:12.254 --> 03:32:14.254
and the unsheltered population, that's not yes. Yes.

03:32:15.774 --> 03:32:17.774
And then what was mentioned earlier was the establishment

03:32:19.540 --> 03:32:21.540
of the ad hoc committee that can help flesh out

03:32:22.694 --> 03:32:24.694
some of the process and bring clarity

03:32:25.294 --> 03:32:27.294
and just for the sake of full transparency with the public.

03:32:29.494 --> 03:32:31.494
If you did not see agenda item content item 12.8,

03:32:33.495 --> 03:32:35.495
it was to establish a council ad hoc committee on homelessness

03:32:37.735 --> 03:32:40.950
and appoint council member.
So Joe Black as the chair.

03:32:42.935 --> 03:32:44.935
Kimberly Walmsley as Vice Chair and Vice

03:32:46.150 --> 03:32:48.150
Mayor, Fugazi as a member,

03:32:49.550 --> 03:32:51.550
so that in Councilmember Wright as an alternative.

03:32:52.135 --> 03:32:54.135
And so that would be a next step in process moving forward.

03:32:57.335 --> 03:32:59.335
If I may, Mayor, I just want to be clear

03:33:00.150 --> 03:33:01.935
and that we're dealing
with pretty much a February time horizon.

03:33:04.535 --> 03:33:06.535
My thinking was to get you all a concept

03:33:06.815 --> 03:33:09.215
that you could turn around quickly
so that we can start working

03:33:09.415 --> 03:33:11.415
on a NOVA in order to be able to get it out before Christmas.

03:33:13.335 --> 03:33:15.375
So I just want to make sure
that we're going to be able to do that based on whatever

03:33:16.775 --> 03:33:18.775
you're contemplating in terms of process.

03:33:19.175 --> 03:33:20.895
Sure, sure.
And that's something that again,

03:33:21.576 --> 03:33:23.576
process will be fleshed out know, without our committee.

03:33:24.576 --> 03:33:26.576
Listen, I know that one walk in green,

03:33:28.496 --> 03:33:30.496
I believe we can all agree that homelessness is the number

03:33:31.216 --> 03:33:33.216
one issue in our community, if not the top two to not.

03:33:36.216 --> 03:33:38.216
So I have full confidence that our council sees

03:33:40.896 --> 03:33:42.896
this as as a priority and we'll prioritize it

03:33:45.960 --> 03:33:47.960
so that we meet the needs of the public

03:33:48.656 --> 03:33:50.656
so that we can ultimately improve the quality of life

03:33:52.176 --> 03:33:54.176
throughout our community for those who are unsheltered

03:33:55.176 --> 03:33:57.176
and sheltered with regards to homelessness.

03:33:58.776 --> 03:34:00.776
And so are we are we clear?

03:34:01.296 --> 03:34:03.296
City Attorney.
We have the motion and do we have a second.

03:34:06.656 --> 03:34:08.656
OK, City Roll call vote, please.

03:34:09.336 --> 03:34:11.497
Councilmember Wamsley.
Yes, yes. Councilmember Canapé.

03:34:12.537 --> 03:34:14.537
Yes. Councilmember Joe Breck is upset.

03:34:15.337 --> 03:34:17.337
Councilmember Lenz is absent.

03:34:18.817 --> 03:34:20.817
Councilmember Wright. Yes.

03:34:21.297 --> 03:34:23.297
Vice Mayor. Fugazi. Yes.

03:34:23.377 --> 03:34:25.217
Mayor Lincoln.
Yes. Motion passes. Five to zero.

03:34:27.337 --> 03:34:29.337
Thank you.

03:34:29.897 --> 03:34:32.537
We're going to take a five minute
recess

03:34:58.697 --> 03:35:00.817
call this meeting back to order.
The time is 907.

03:35:03.418 --> 03:35:05.418
Agenda Item 16 16.1 public hearing.

03:35:06.978 --> 03:35:08.978
Adopt a resolution approving addendum

03:35:09.658 --> 03:35:11.658
to the Stockton General Plan, Environmental Impact

03:35:11.778 --> 03:35:13.778
Report, General Plan, Land Use Map Addendum

03:35:15.980 --> 03:35:17.980
and Citywide Zoning Addendum to ensure consistency

03:35:18.698 --> 03:35:20.698
with the envision Stockton 2040 general plan

03:35:23.698 --> 03:35:25.698
and now to call the publishing open staff

03:35:25.858 --> 03:35:28.738
you head for the present. OK thank you.
Mike McDowell, Community Development Department.

03:35:30.298 --> 03:35:32.298
And I promise you I have no financials here

03:35:32.578 --> 03:35:34.578
for to present or for you to consider land use.

03:35:37.980 --> 03:35:38.978
OK land use.
So just in brief

03:35:40.378 --> 03:35:42.498
the whole purpose of
of being here is we've already taken series one to council

03:35:44.258 --> 03:35:46.258
and I'll address that in the presentation but

03:35:47.218 --> 03:35:49.218
we just adopted in 2018,

03:35:49.458 --> 03:35:51.458
the council adopted the general plan update

03:35:53.219 --> 03:35:55.219
and as a result of that we ended up with

03:35:56.819 --> 03:35:58.819
certain properties throughout the city becoming inconsistent.

03:36:00.939 --> 03:36:03.779
We actually the,
the general plan didn't

03:36:03.779 --> 03:36:05.779
entirely result in some of these properties being inconsistent.

03:36:07.499 --> 03:36:09.299
It was even years
back of another general plan causing the inconsistency.

03:36:10.939 --> 03:36:12.939
So it's been a build up over years.

03:36:13.190 --> 03:36:15.190
So the challenge for us is addressing

03:36:16.299 --> 03:36:18.499
the inconsistencies
between our zoning ordinance and the general plan.

03:36:21.539 --> 03:36:23.539
So just to speak briefly on what is inconsistency.

03:36:24.779 --> 03:36:26.779
So just for example,

03:36:26.819 --> 03:36:28.819
for the land use and the general plan calls

03:36:29.739 --> 03:36:31.819
for low density
residential, just as an example, a certain type of land use

03:36:34.739 --> 03:36:36.739
in correlation, you would want the zoning

03:36:36.779 --> 03:36:38.779
to have a similar use like residential, low density.

03:36:40.860 --> 03:36:43.660
So that's consistency.
And just to give another example, high density

03:36:45.900 --> 03:36:48.580
residential, you'd want the correlating
zoning to be high density residential.

03:36:49.580 --> 03:36:51.580
Well, today we have a mixed mash of properties.

03:36:52.700 --> 03:36:54.740
We identified initially
about 6000 properties that had inconsistencies.

03:36:56.820 --> 03:36:58.220
We've now
narrowed it down to 4100 that we've been dealing with.

03:37:01.140 --> 03:37:03.140
And one of those we brought to counsel already

03:37:06.780 --> 03:37:09.620
so this just gives some perspective.
Series one counsel approved on

03:37:12.860 --> 03:37:14.860
March 9th 2021, and the second series,

03:37:16.980 --> 03:37:19.860
which is tonight
you're considering is the next batch of properties

03:37:21.900 --> 03:37:24.600
that we've been working through
to try to create consistencies between the general plan

03:37:26.380 --> 03:37:28.460
and the zoning audits.
And we would expect the third series

03:37:31.341 --> 03:37:33.341
to come in the late winter.

03:37:34.210 --> 03:37:36.821
As far as to initiate and probably
get to maybe Planning Commission by early next year.

03:37:40.141 --> 03:37:42.141
So this just give us some perspective

03:37:42.181 --> 03:37:44.181
on Series two, which is the one before you

03:37:45.221 --> 03:37:47.221
of what types of inconsistencies we're addressing here

03:37:48.581 --> 03:37:51.581
with the consideration for you.
So there's about 405 properties

03:37:53.661 --> 03:37:55.661
that we're addressing with a zoning change

03:37:56.781 --> 03:37:58.781
and there's about 311 properties that we're addressing

03:37:59.581 --> 03:38:01.701
with general planning land use.
So actually we're changing the general plan again amending it

03:38:04.621 --> 03:38:06.621
because some of those didn't make sense.

03:38:06.821 --> 03:38:08.210
You know,
at the time you're doing broad brush and a general plan

03:38:09.221 --> 03:38:11.221
and now we're narrowing it down. So we're doing some general

03:38:12.210 --> 03:38:14.210
planning land use changes as well.

03:38:14.301 --> 03:38:16.301
And then there's about 669.

03:38:16.501 --> 03:38:18.501
So basically 40% of the,

03:38:18.621 --> 03:38:20.621
of this batch, which is 1400 properties, we're doing both.

03:38:23.102 --> 03:38:25.102
So we're changing the zoning and the general plan

03:38:25.782 --> 03:38:27.782
to help create consistency but also not harm

03:38:29.702 --> 03:38:31.702
property owners that own these properties.

03:38:33.862 --> 03:38:35.862
So as you might imagine and we've mentioned this before

03:38:36.702 --> 03:38:39.620
at Series one, done
a significant amount of, of outreach that

03:38:41.102 --> 03:38:43.102
that's possible and obviously can covet

03:38:43.222 --> 03:38:44.582
is kind
of constrained our abilities as far as really getting out

03:38:46.702 --> 03:38:48.662
there and
and you know, dealing with with individuals

03:38:50.620 --> 03:38:52.620
and having those those forms and say the libraries

03:38:53.462 --> 03:38:55.462
or the community centers, it's a little bit challenging.

03:38:55.622 --> 03:38:57.622
But we've been doing a lot of

03:38:58.862 --> 03:39:00.862
posting on our website using having virtual workshops,

03:39:03.582 --> 03:39:05.582
going out to tent events as far as pop up

03:39:07.342 --> 03:39:09.342
events are tent pop up events.

03:39:10.743 --> 03:39:12.743
So I'm it brings a little bit

03:39:12.783 --> 03:39:15.463
anyway pop up events in the community.
We're doing whatever

03:39:15.463 --> 03:39:17.463
we can to try to reach as many people as possible,

03:39:19.223 --> 03:39:21.463
sending out notices.
And you may have received

03:39:22.143 --> 03:39:24.143
yourselves from those people receiving notices.

03:39:24.463 --> 03:39:26.463
You may have received some calls, you know, confirming

03:39:27.783 --> 03:39:29.623
what's going on.
So we're really trying to send out and inform the entire

03:39:33.663 --> 03:39:35.663
population of properties that are all affected

03:39:35.903 --> 03:39:37.903
potentially by this inconsistency worth

03:39:42.863 --> 03:39:44.863
so during this process,

03:39:45.223 --> 03:39:47.263
based on feedback
from the property owners that are potentially affected

03:39:50.343 --> 03:39:52.343
and city staff, we've established

03:39:53.503 --> 03:39:55.503
some guiding principles when considering what to do

03:39:56.423 --> 03:39:58.583
as far as the zoning change,
the zoning change, the general plan or change both.

03:40:01.744 --> 03:40:03.744
So part of that's just based on sustainable

03:40:04.240 --> 03:40:06.240
growth and public health looking out for that's

03:40:06.624 --> 03:40:09.240
one of the main guiding principles.
Does it result in that?

03:40:09.904 --> 03:40:11.904
Does it strengthen property rights

03:40:12.424 --> 03:40:14.424
and does it streamline high quality development?

03:40:14.784 --> 03:40:16.784
Those are the considerations in guiding principles

03:40:16.944 --> 03:40:18.944
when we're deciding on what to do.

03:40:19.224 --> 03:40:21.224
As far as changing the zoning, changing the general plan.

03:40:23.584 --> 03:40:25.584
So proposed solutions for these

03:40:26.624 --> 03:40:28.624
changes, many of them deal with with right away

03:40:30.640 --> 03:40:31.504
still we're
still dealing with right away that zoned residential land use.

03:40:34.384 --> 03:40:36.904
And that's not something we want.
We got to clean up and create consistency.

03:40:38.344 --> 03:40:40.344
We can't have people thinking they can develop, you know,

03:40:40.544 --> 03:40:42.544
in the in rights of ways, not just street right ways.

03:40:44.264 --> 03:40:46.264
It's open space, even areas that are recreation areas

03:40:49.240 --> 03:40:51.240
that are really intended to be open space and not developable.

03:40:52.650 --> 03:40:54.650
So we're finding a lot of inconsistencies like that.

03:40:54.985 --> 03:40:56.985
That's not unusual for a big city like this,

03:40:57.745 --> 03:41:00.225
but we're trying to clean up those.
Those situations

03:41:00.825 --> 03:41:02.825
also are making sure that we maintain residential capacity.

03:41:04.505 --> 03:41:07.250
So we're really
we have to consider

03:41:07.650 --> 03:41:09.650
a residential property that might be zoned residential.

03:41:10.265 --> 03:41:12.265
And the general general plan says something different,

03:41:13.785 --> 03:41:15.785
might be industrial, might be some other type of use.

03:41:16.785 --> 03:41:18.865
We're really being careful
to try to preserve the residential component to it

03:41:21.250 --> 03:41:23.650
if it makes sense.
But we want to maintain our capacity.

03:41:23.945 --> 03:41:25.945
That's the key thing.

03:41:27.745 --> 03:41:29.745
Just in conclusion, as far as these changes

03:41:30.265 --> 03:41:32.265
will will ultimately we feel as far as support

03:41:33.705 --> 03:41:36.665
property ownership,
obviously it's it implements the general plan goals

03:41:38.465 --> 03:41:40.465
as far as the the consistency work

03:41:41.866 --> 03:41:43.866
and the changes where we're not intending

03:41:44.186 --> 03:41:46.186
to impact the existing uses that are already there,

03:41:47.226 --> 03:41:49.946
we're being careful to try to work
with the property owners and make sure that those uses

03:41:51.386 --> 03:41:53.386
can continue with these changes.

03:41:56.626 --> 03:41:59.306
So the recommended
actions are certified, the addendum, approve the resolution

03:42:02.306 --> 03:42:04.306
and adopt the ordinance with with one caveat

03:42:05.946 --> 03:42:07.946
that we did provide a memorandum to the Council to remove

03:42:10.186 --> 03:42:12.186
five properties from this amendment

03:42:14.106 --> 03:42:16.106
from the ordinance change exhibit one.

03:42:16.426 --> 03:42:18.426
So we're hoping you would consider staff's

03:42:19.306 --> 03:42:21.306
recommendation with that removal of the five.

03:42:22.386 --> 03:42:24.386
So the amended Exhibit one to the ordinance.

03:42:26.506 --> 03:42:29.660
They can relate to.
We have any public comments.

03:42:29.826 --> 03:42:31.826
We have no comments for this public hearing. Mayor.

03:42:32.670 --> 03:42:33.907
Thank you.
Councilor Cannava so does this help Bernice Nichols in Dr.

03:42:36.907 --> 03:42:39.347
Massey's property out there?
Do we get that

03:42:40.307 --> 03:42:43.307
cleaned up?
Doctor Vasquez.

03:42:43.587 --> 03:42:45.587
He was talking about that one area where it was zoned.

03:42:47.467 --> 03:42:49.387
Do you know which property?
No. Which which property?

03:42:50.107 --> 03:42:52.107
I'm from blank, but I know Doctor Varsity.

03:42:52.227 --> 03:42:54.227
So so he was. He's got many properties.

03:42:54.747 --> 03:42:56.747
Howard Street by St George's. Yeah.

03:42:56.907 --> 03:42:59.587
Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.
We're working on that.

03:42:59.587 --> 03:43:01.587
So then if somebody doesn't, is there a protest process

03:43:03.307 --> 03:43:05.267
or if they do
or you
have to go to the planning commission

03:43:05.467 --> 03:43:08.427
if they don't agree with the outcome or.
Well, we, we try our best.

03:43:09.270 --> 03:43:11.270
We've, we've received 4000,

03:43:11.187 --> 03:43:13.187
you know, calls as far as just with from property owners,

03:43:14.907 --> 03:43:16.907
our 400 calls I'm sorry, four property owners

03:43:17.587 --> 03:43:20.427
who received notices that we're working
one on one with, with these individuals

03:43:22.280 --> 03:43:24.280
to try to work, work out the issues.

03:43:25.788 --> 03:43:27.788
And the majority of issues are they don't want it changed or.

03:43:28.828 --> 03:43:30.828
Yeah, I mean there's people that just feel like

03:43:31.628 --> 03:43:33.628
the city leave me alone as far as I, I

03:43:34.680 --> 03:43:36.680
don't want it to change and we have to educate them

03:43:36.148 --> 03:43:38.148
as far as actually that what we're proposing

03:43:38.668 --> 03:43:40.668
has it been really strengthened your, your property rights are.

03:43:42.268 --> 03:43:44.268
Perfect thank you. Yep.

03:43:45.308 --> 03:43:47.308
Councilmember Walmsley.

03:43:47.748 --> 03:43:49.828
Thank you, Mayor.
And this seems like a seamless process.

03:43:51.868 --> 03:43:53.868
Mike just a really quick question

03:43:54.828 --> 03:43:56.828
in regards to like advertisement and notices.

03:43:59.428 --> 03:44:01.428
Now, I know that you can't necessarily tell if someone

03:44:03.388 --> 03:44:05.388
is like multi lingual by their address or their name,

03:44:06.868 --> 03:44:08.868
but what efforts is the city making, especially in planning

03:44:13.690 --> 03:44:15.690
to have information in my Spanish and Punjabi

03:44:17.290 --> 03:44:19.290
and other languages, because I find with some

03:44:21.269 --> 03:44:23.269
community members and residents like they get notices

03:44:25.109 --> 03:44:27.109
and they don't they can't read it, they can't understand it.

03:44:28.269 --> 03:44:30.269
So what has there been any efforts in like

03:44:31.109 --> 03:44:33.109
providing this information and other languages besides English?

03:44:36.290 --> 03:44:38.290
OK, I don't I don't know the answer to that question.

03:44:38.549 --> 03:44:40.549
So I'm going to look to my staff.

03:44:52.109 --> 03:44:53.949
Hi, good evening.
Tristan Osborne with the Planning Department.

03:44:55.149 --> 03:44:57.149
We've had a few calls and we always have Spanish translation

03:44:58.949 --> 03:45:01.109
at the permit center.
So we have kind of a rotating schedule for both,

03:45:02.870 --> 03:45:04.870
you know, phone calls that come in as well as counter stuff.

03:45:05.790 --> 03:45:07.630
And so I've
briefed each of those three translators on the project

03:45:09.270 --> 03:45:11.830
and can kind of walk them through questions
that they may have for other languages.

03:45:13.350 --> 03:45:16.150
I you know, I know that we have a
I believe a couple of folks in the office that are bilingual

03:45:18.270 --> 03:45:20.110
in other languages,
but we don't necessarily have a formal process for

03:45:22.350 --> 03:45:25.300
for multiple languages at this point.
But Spanish is predominantly

03:45:25.550 --> 03:45:27.550
that language we've dealt with to this point.

03:45:29.750 --> 03:45:31.470
Thank you for that.
I think that is not just specific to this issue,

03:45:34.230 --> 03:45:36.230
but as a city, I think that it's beyond time

03:45:38.510 --> 03:45:40.510
that we start thinking about language justice.

03:45:41.510 --> 03:45:43.510
Thank you for that. I appreciate you.

03:45:44.700 --> 03:45:46.700
It's very smart for Ghazi.

03:45:46.870 --> 03:45:48.950
Is thank you, mayor.
So I know that this already went before planning commission.

03:45:51.831 --> 03:45:53.831
I know that there was quite a bit of discussion on this item

03:45:56.710 --> 03:45:58.710
before it it made its way to us.

03:46:00.391 --> 03:46:02.391
I guess some of my concerns are,

03:46:02.871 --> 03:46:04.871
you know, some of these outlier properties

03:46:05.911 --> 03:46:07.911
that find themselves in these

03:46:08.711 --> 03:46:10.711
otherwise zoned areas.

03:46:11.351 --> 03:46:13.351
And I'm thinking specifically of a particular

03:46:15.551 --> 03:46:17.551
address in district 5801 South Calif yeah.

03:46:19.231 --> 03:46:21.231
Right there along the railroad tracks.

03:46:21.591 --> 03:46:23.151
The property
owner decided to invest in it and do some upgrades to it

03:46:25.431 --> 03:46:27.431
and nothing's ever been able to occupy that

03:46:30.671 --> 03:46:32.671
building. And

03:46:33.471 --> 03:46:35.471
they wanted to do a treatment center there at one time.

03:46:35.551 --> 03:46:37.911
It came before Planning Commission.
It didn't get approved

03:46:38.431 --> 03:46:40.431
I mean, I just think about some of these areas

03:46:41.312 --> 03:46:43.312
that we're trying to adhere to the general plan.

03:46:43.432 --> 03:46:45.432
But we have, again, these ghost properties that

03:46:47.912 --> 03:46:50.232
I mean, I realize that
on a case

03:46:50.232 --> 03:46:52.152
by case basis,
then to go before again planning commission

03:46:53.792 --> 03:46:55.792
and ask for a zoning amendment for that.

03:46:56.552 --> 03:46:58.552
And we're trying to get away from that, correct?

03:46:59.232 --> 03:47:01.232
Well, there's always going to be the possibility,

03:47:01.832 --> 03:47:03.832
like, for example, the property brought up,

03:47:04.192 --> 03:47:06.192
it might not be on our list of inconsistencies.

03:47:06.792 --> 03:47:08.792
It might they might match as far as the general plan

03:47:09.152 --> 03:47:11.152
and the zoning, maybe it's something like you're saying

03:47:11.792 --> 03:47:13.792
maybe it's change it entirely to something different

03:47:14.312 --> 03:47:16.312
for that particular location.

03:47:16.432 --> 03:47:18.432
There's still always the ability for a property owner

03:47:18.832 --> 03:47:21.752
to initiate
an amendment to the general plan in the zoning ordinance.

03:47:23.512 --> 03:47:26.192
So it's a possibility. And we do
we do see those ultimately they end up at council.

03:47:28.232 --> 03:47:30.232
As far as for consideration for a general plan amendment

03:47:31.233 --> 03:47:33.730
or a zoning amendment.
Yeah, I know some people don't want to even go

03:47:33.713 --> 03:47:35.713
through that process, though, so they won't even,

03:47:36.730 --> 03:47:38.193
you know, they're like, oh, look at this.
And then they find out

03:47:38.193 --> 03:47:40.193
what the zoning is and like, oh, I can't use it for the what

03:47:41.153 --> 03:47:43.833
what I wanted to, so I won't even buy it
then because

03:47:43.833 --> 03:47:45.833
I'm going to have to go through this arduous process

03:47:46.753 --> 03:47:48.753
in order to and I might not get it now.

03:47:48.873 --> 03:47:51.313
I own a property
that somebody else owned and couldn't

03:47:51.753 --> 03:47:53.753
do anything with, and now it's, it's mine.

03:47:54.753 --> 03:47:56.753
But I know we needed to clean this up,

03:47:58.330 --> 03:47:59.393
and I
know that it, it's, it's important for,

03:48:02.553 --> 03:48:04.553
for our city to adhere to our, our general plan

03:48:05.793 --> 03:48:07.793
that I miss so much working.

03:48:07.993 --> 03:48:10.753
So I think you.
Moved approve

03:48:11.913 --> 03:48:13.913
of close at close the publication first.

03:48:14.873 --> 03:48:16.873
Now become public here in closed

03:48:17.153 --> 03:48:19.153
second second

03:48:19.473 --> 03:48:21.473
council will public please Councilmember Walmsley. Yes.

03:48:23.354 --> 03:48:25.394
Councilmember accountable.
Yes. Councilmember Joe

03:48:25.594 --> 03:48:28.740
Brack is absolutely Councilmember
Lenz is absolutely councilmember right? Yes.

03:48:29.794 --> 03:48:31.754
Vice Mayor. Fugazi.
Yes. Mayor Lincoln.

03:48:32.114 --> 03:48:34.114
Yes. Motion passes 50

03:48:34.954 --> 03:48:37.740
thank you.
Item 16
point to adopt the resolution approving the Snow King Multi

03:48:39.354 --> 03:48:41.354
Species Habitat Conservation and open space

03:48:42.274 --> 03:48:44.274
plan 2022 development fee schedule and now declared

03:48:46.874 --> 03:48:48.874
the public hearing open staff you had four to present.

03:48:50.394 --> 03:48:52.394
OK so just provide a brief background the

03:48:54.340 --> 03:48:56.340
let me go back just real quick I know you want to

03:48:56.994 --> 03:48:58.994
we'll get through this but it's a long name

03:48:59.634 --> 03:49:01.754
as far as for this plan
so San Joaquin multi species habitat conservation

03:49:03.554 --> 03:49:06.194
and an open space plan
that's the formal name of

03:49:06.194 --> 03:49:08.194
the plan from here on out I'm going to refer to it as the plan

03:49:09.394 --> 03:49:11.394
habitat plan.

03:49:11.435 --> 03:49:13.155
OK, so
just to go back, it was adopted back in November 2000

03:49:16.195 --> 03:49:18.195
and it's provides a strategy for protecting species and open

03:49:20.315 --> 03:49:23.315
space and provides a permanent presence
for permanent preservation areas.

03:49:24.915 --> 03:49:26.915
It's voluntary for option for developers.

03:49:28.235 --> 03:49:30.555
So it's not a requirement
for developers to participate in this plan.

03:49:31.235 --> 03:49:33.235
It's a voluntary process

03:49:33.915 --> 03:49:35.595
council approved
the last update in 2020 here we are just like every year

03:49:38.555 --> 03:49:40.555
coming back to council to make a consideration for

03:49:42.395 --> 03:49:44.395
an update to the fee which is traditionally based

03:49:44.915 --> 03:49:46.915
on inflationary adjustments and land land prices.

03:49:49.475 --> 03:49:51.475
This just gives a quick perspective of for Stockton

03:49:52.555 --> 03:49:54.555
you can look at the blue areas, which is primarily

03:49:54.915 --> 03:49:57.675
the predominant color there.
Those are all non pay areas.

03:49:58.515 --> 03:50:00.515
So you can see pretty much the

03:50:02.316 --> 03:50:04.996
the land areas that we're talking about
that are subject to the sphere

03:50:05.316 --> 03:50:07.316
basically are all on the periphery of the city.

03:50:07.916 --> 03:50:09.916
In many of the greenfield areas, you know, on the outskirts so

03:50:13.756 --> 03:50:15.756
the changes to the fees are not all that substantial.

03:50:16.356 --> 03:50:18.356
They're really more for the peripheral properties

03:50:19.436 --> 03:50:21.436
that we're talking about with development

03:50:26.316 --> 03:50:28.316
just as this proposed fee change,

03:50:28.716 --> 03:50:30.716
it's about a 12% increase from last year rates.

03:50:32.596 --> 03:50:34.596
And again, that's a lot of it has to do with land prices

03:50:39.156 --> 03:50:41.156
this just provides an example of the actual fee categories.

03:50:42.916 --> 03:50:44.836
I can tell you as far
as the more expensive ones

03:50:45.360 --> 03:50:47.360
listed there, vernal pool wetted and Grassland

03:50:49.236 --> 03:50:51.236
City of Stockton does not have many areas like that.

03:50:52.237 --> 03:50:54.237
So there's very few situations where I could foresee

03:50:55.997 --> 03:50:57.997
that even being applied in the city of Stockton,

03:51:00.477 --> 03:51:02.477
our conclusion as far as this this plan

03:51:02.997 --> 03:51:05.917
and the program streamlines
review while protecting environmental resources.

03:51:08.677 --> 03:51:10.677
There's a financial model that calculates the numbers

03:51:11.837 --> 03:51:13.597
every year.
And again, a lot of it has to do with land prices.

03:51:14.717 --> 03:51:16.717
They have to go out and acquire,

03:51:16.757 --> 03:51:18.757
preserve areas and put them into perpetuity.

03:51:20.770 --> 03:51:22.770
Or for long, long term,

03:51:22.877 --> 03:51:24.237
you know,
take them out of development ability,

03:51:25.197 --> 03:51:27.957
these these properties that they go out there
and acquire as far as easements,

03:51:30.157 --> 03:51:31.837
it's voluntary.
Again, staff recommending that that city council adopt

03:51:35.197 --> 03:51:37.197
the updated fee.

03:51:41.558 --> 03:51:43.558
Quote, do we have any public comments?

03:51:44.238 --> 03:51:46.238
We have no public comments for this public hearing.

03:51:46.638 --> 03:51:48.638
OK, thank you. Councilmember Cannava.

03:51:49.780 --> 03:51:51.998
So I just want clarification.
So when you say voluntary, but if they don't do this,

03:51:53.278 --> 03:51:55.278
then they have to go and buy like property somewhere else.

03:51:56.638 --> 03:51:58.638
And so right over. Right.

03:51:59.278 --> 03:52:01.278
So I mean, this is the lesser of two evils, correct?

03:52:02.358 --> 03:52:04.358
You could say that most smart developers choose

03:52:04.918 --> 03:52:07.678
to just pay the fee to the car.
Otherwise they have to go and get

03:52:08.780 --> 03:52:10.780
whatever they're building on like property somewhere

03:52:12.238 --> 03:52:14.780
that's protected.
Well, even B B, in addition to what you're saying,

03:52:16.678 --> 03:52:19.278
as far as go find out, you know,
find properties on their own to to negotiate the easement.

03:52:22.678 --> 03:52:24.678
They also have to deal with the environmental agencies,

03:52:24.918 --> 03:52:27.518
the state and federal agencies,
that are signed on to this plan, this local plan.

03:52:30.439 --> 03:52:32.959
If you're not going through the plan, you're
dealing with those agencies independent of that plan.

03:52:35.959 --> 03:52:38.439
I know what happens
if we don't approve it because, I mean, I'm on the corkboard.

03:52:39.359 --> 03:52:41.359
So obviously there's a need for this and. Right.

03:52:41.959 --> 03:52:43.959
I mean, just to make this program work

03:52:44.679 --> 03:52:46.679
because the cost escalates but I mean, it's for habitat.

03:52:47.399 --> 03:52:49.839
So people understand that. Yes.
Taking a part

03:52:50.279 --> 03:52:52.279
out of the development, then this preserves the habitat.

03:52:54.119 --> 03:52:57.390
Right.
Right. It's a way of mitigating
your project to go through this plan.

03:52:58.390 --> 03:53:00.599
All right. I'm moved. Approve.
There's no other comments.

03:53:00.599 --> 03:53:02.599
Are you closing, sir?

03:53:03.519 --> 03:53:05.519
Public hearings close

03:53:07.119 --> 03:53:08.439
Cameron.
We can be moved to approve second.

03:53:10.279 --> 03:53:12.759
All right. Work.
I work with Councilmember Walmsley.

03:53:13.639 --> 03:53:15.639
Yes. Councilmember Cannibal. Yes.

03:53:15.759 --> 03:53:18.279
Council Member Joe Beck is absent.
Councilmember member is absent. Council member, right? Yes.

03:53:20.199 --> 03:53:22.720
Vice Mayor.
Fugazi. Yes.
Mayor Lincoln.

03:53:22.720 --> 03:53:24.720
Yes. Motion passes 50. Thank you.

03:53:25.320 --> 03:53:27.320
I'm 17 city manager's update.

03:53:28.320 --> 03:53:30.400
Nothing at this time.
All right. Thank you, colleagues.

03:53:31.120 --> 03:53:33.120
You have updates for us this evening.

03:53:33.720 --> 03:53:35.720
And Councilmember Walmsley.

03:53:36.160 --> 03:53:38.160
Thank you, Mayor and

03:53:39.800 --> 03:53:41.800
Allie had one update which I kind of talked about earlier,

03:53:44.000 --> 03:53:46.000
which was the efforts that many Harold Park would put it has

03:53:49.160 --> 03:53:51.160
I think we planted about 31 or 41 trees.

03:53:52.680 --> 03:53:55.280
It was
very interesting planning the tree.

03:53:56.880 --> 03:53:58.880
I've never done it before and it's

03:53:59.880 --> 03:54:01.880
a very interesting process.

03:54:01.920 --> 03:54:03.920
They are having another effort this weekend at American Legion

03:54:06.120 --> 03:54:08.120
Park, be there at nine and a half coffee.

03:54:10.601 --> 03:54:13.481
I do have
I do want to raise a concern and you know,

03:54:17.201 --> 03:54:19.201
I think as a council, we talk about transparency a lot

03:54:22.561 --> 03:54:24.561
and we want our community members

03:54:24.721 --> 03:54:26.721
to know that we are working hard

03:54:28.810 --> 03:54:30.961
in their best interest.
And so I'm going to ask

03:54:32.561 --> 03:54:34.601
I think the most
appropriate person to ask this question is going to be the city

03:54:37.121 --> 03:54:39.801
clerk's office.
And it is in response to the till map.

03:54:41.721 --> 03:54:43.721
Can you give the community

03:54:44.361 --> 03:54:46.361
and the council clarity about that map

03:54:48.161 --> 03:54:50.161
and how it was presented to your office?

03:54:52.561 --> 03:54:54.521
Absolutely.
Good evening, mayor and council.

03:54:55.481 --> 03:54:58.201
Eliza Carson, city clerk,
so the till map was provided to the office of the City

03:55:00.802 --> 03:55:02.802
Clerk by way of council member Joe Brack.

03:55:03.602 --> 03:55:05.602
It was then submitted to Shirley Tilton the demographer

03:55:07.402 --> 03:55:09.402
that we are working with, and there was some back and forth

03:55:11.242 --> 03:55:13.242
with regards to some edits about population

03:55:14.722 --> 03:55:16.722
just to get within the confines of what is set forth

03:55:17.482 --> 03:55:19.482
in the mapping standards and ultimately

03:55:21.202 --> 03:55:23.202
produced this map that was presented last Wednesday.

03:55:25.762 --> 03:55:28.482
Thank you.
You're welcome.
And then my second thought to this,

03:55:32.362 --> 03:55:34.362
as we had a series of people who were here tonight

03:55:36.562 --> 03:55:38.562
speaking about this matter,

03:55:39.122 --> 03:55:41.122
I did not know that.

03:55:42.882 --> 03:55:44.882
And I thought that

03:55:45.962 --> 03:55:47.962
the lines were drawn

03:55:48.722 --> 03:55:50.722
through the consultants.

03:55:51.283 --> 03:55:53.283
And I know that that map was moved forward

03:55:53.723 --> 03:55:55.723
by this body

03:55:56.763 --> 03:55:58.763
but I do have some concerns

03:56:00.603 --> 03:56:03.443
December seven
is the last day to vote and move a map forward.

03:56:07.203 --> 03:56:09.203
This map will be will represent the council lines

03:56:11.830 --> 03:56:13.830
for the next ten years.

03:56:14.123 --> 03:56:16.123
I do believe that

03:56:17.723 --> 03:56:19.723
we as a city deserve transparency, and I hope that

03:56:22.683 --> 03:56:24.683
someone on this dais agrees with me when I say that.

03:56:27.923 --> 03:56:29.923
I don't believe having a hearing

03:56:31.683 --> 03:56:33.683
on December seven, along with our other agenda

03:56:34.963 --> 03:56:36.963
items, will give us enough time to really be clear

03:56:41.124 --> 03:56:42.644
about our
lines and be transparent at the same time.

03:56:45.400 --> 03:56:47.400
So I would like to consider

03:56:48.684 --> 03:56:50.684
another work session to give the community

03:56:52.804 --> 03:56:54.804
an opportunity to provide insight,

03:56:55.844 --> 03:56:57.844
to be transparent

03:56:58.684 --> 03:57:00.684
and to also allow the folks that we appoint

03:57:02.164 --> 03:57:04.164
and an opportunity to have voice.

03:57:04.444 --> 03:57:06.444
Because I believe by the comments tonight

03:57:08.284 --> 03:57:10.284
that they feel a little slighted by this process.

03:57:13.684 --> 03:57:16.644
And I just want to be transparent.
Understood.

03:57:16.844 --> 03:57:18.844
And I do hear that and sympathize and I

03:57:20.164 --> 03:57:22.164
do want to point out a few key facts to consider.

03:57:25.364 --> 03:57:27.364
First and foremost, I apologize for any missed communication.

03:57:29.964 --> 03:57:31.964
But at the meeting last Wednesday,

03:57:33.500 --> 03:57:35.500
I believe Miss Tilton did publicly

03:57:36.165 --> 03:57:38.165
thank Councilmember Joe Brock for his work on the map.

03:57:40.205 --> 03:57:42.205
So I was under the assumption

03:57:42.365 --> 03:57:44.365
that it was public knowledge.

03:57:45.445 --> 03:57:47.445
Secondly, we do have to take into consideration the timeline

03:57:49.685 --> 03:57:51.685
in which we are required to publish on our city's website

03:57:55.125 --> 03:57:57.125
the the seven day posting requirement for the public.

03:57:59.725 --> 03:58:01.725
And lastly, I do want us to keep on target

03:58:03.450 --> 03:58:05.450
with the December 14th

03:58:05.925 --> 03:58:07.925
deadline to adopt a new map.

03:58:09.725 --> 03:58:12.285
We can certainly look at the calendar
and see what we could produce in terms of study sessions

03:58:14.965 --> 03:58:16.965
for the sake of reviewing this map that we're working on

03:58:18.205 --> 03:58:20.205
a very sensitive timeframe

03:58:22.966 --> 03:58:24.966
understood.

03:58:26.846 --> 03:58:28.846
By this man, Fugazi.

03:58:29.246 --> 03:58:31.246
Thank you.

03:58:31.446 --> 03:58:33.446
I, uh,

03:58:33.726 --> 03:58:35.726
I agree with Councilwoman Rawnsley,

03:58:36.326 --> 03:58:38.326
and if it's a time issue,

03:58:40.166 --> 03:58:42.166
I don't have an issue with

03:58:42.526 --> 03:58:44.526
putting Green Annex

03:58:45.966 --> 03:58:47.966
up with the other with the till.

03:58:49.206 --> 03:58:51.206
Um, when we vote on which one we think is

03:58:52.446 --> 03:58:54.446
best based on public input, I don't know.

03:58:55.446 --> 03:58:57.446
That's just throwing that out there.

03:58:57.726 --> 03:58:59.726
I do believe that we need to put things in multiple languages.

03:59:01.326 --> 03:59:03.326
I know the mayor and I were just that Hmong

03:59:03.566 --> 03:59:05.566
New Year this weekend

03:59:06.886 --> 03:59:09.886
learning a few Hmong words.
But, you know, written language is something totally different.

03:59:13.687 --> 03:59:15.687
But it

03:59:15.807 --> 03:59:17.807
having the considered the most diverse,

03:59:19.807 --> 03:59:21.807
you know, city in the nation as of, well, 20, 20,

03:59:23.247 --> 03:59:25.367
I think it was
we need to definitely make sure that we embrace that diversity.

03:59:28.127 --> 03:59:30.127
We do our announcements at Edinson High School

03:59:30.607 --> 03:59:33.527
in English and Spanish, even though there are
multiple languages spoken Spanish is the majority.

03:59:35.727 --> 03:59:37.687
And kids
as soon as it starts going in Spanish, then they perk up.

03:59:39.847 --> 03:59:41.847
Kind of like when I did my little speech in Punjabi

03:59:43.887 --> 03:59:45.887
even though I didn't do a very good job.

03:59:46.927 --> 03:59:48.407
But people
then were like, oh, look, she's trying to speak our language.

03:59:51.207 --> 03:59:53.207
So I definitely think we need to do a better

03:59:54.700 --> 03:59:56.127
and better job of that.
And if you didn't know there were four commissioners

03:59:58.927 --> 04:00:00.927
from that redistricting that spoke tonight

04:00:01.968 --> 04:00:03.968
and as somebody who seconded the

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motion, I actually felt bad

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about my second, which I normally don't do.

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I don't have regrets like that, and I felt

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I felt bad about that.
But I still stay true to what I said.

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Like, we're not going to please everybody.
Obviously, if I might.

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This is an agenda ized tonight.

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So the discussion
should be limited to whether it goes back on a

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on a future agenda.
I believe that's what the discussion

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has been about, adding an agenda item at a future meeting.

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So I would suggest if there if.

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There is the desire to do.
That, to search for a date,

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that we would go ahead and search for a date

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to have an additional workshop oh. OK.

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Well then we could go on to my next item.

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Then and.
We can have the discussion that you wish to have.

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OK, at that time.
OK, I do believe in everything in multiple languages,

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on our websites, on our mailings, on everything else.

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So I'm sticking to that story.

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The other thing I just wanted to point out,
I don't know if anybody noticed that,

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but all of our handouts tonight were one sided.

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And I love all of our presentations and the effort

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that's put forth, but I would like them to be front to back

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only because I want to save resources.

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Yeah.
So if we can save money on paper,

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we can spend it on some of these items.
We should talking about tonight.

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So front and back Preferrably

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the Emergency Rental Assistance Program, there is still money

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available out there for you all that are interested.

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El Consuelo is the agency that we've partnered with to do it.

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I will say it has not been easy because I personally myself

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have called
El Consuelo multiple times and have yet to get a call back.

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And I even identified myself, which I'm embarrassed to say,

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but I went oh, by the way, I'm
the vice mayor for the city of Stockton.

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Could somebody please call me back?

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And I started last week and I still haven't gotten the

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call back.
So if I can't get a callback, I feel for our residents

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who aren't getting a call back
because I know that
there are several because they've reached out to me

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I just want to help as many people as we can.

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I would
also like to bring up well, I'm trying to think when I should.

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I think that we should look into having our own city prosecutor

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so that when we need things done, we can just use our own

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city prosecutor to put them through court,

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that we don't have to wait on somebody else but I think

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that's something we should look into

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because otherwise we have crimes that are done in this city

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that our attorneys do. Oh, it's another thing.

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Well, I guess you already have one, and that's me.

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But how many cases you file in court for the things

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that our police department pick up?
People for every single day?

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Many.
But those are city code violations.

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The anything that's not in the city code is

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if it's in the penal code, or the Health and Safety Code

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that's under the purview of the district attorney.

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Some cities do have agreements with district

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attorney's offices to take certain matters on as sort of

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let's just call it,

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you know, sharing the load.
Our our district attorneys have never been.

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Open to that.
And we've we've asked.
Several times, and I would appreciate

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if we had the opportunity to have that discussion again.

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I think that's a great right.
I will push it with everything I have

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if I need to chain myself to a column of of.

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Yes. Of the courthouse in order to get it done,

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because we can't keep arresting people and having them out

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before the day before the reports even written,

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because guess what?
That bad behavior

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just keeps going and going and going and going.

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So you let me know, Mr.

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La Burke, what I can do to help with that.

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And I will be first in line.

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And then
I would like to wish

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Saint Mary's Rams their football team

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the best of luck in the third round.

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They're the only city only school in Stockton

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that have made it to the third round.
It was a tough game last Friday.

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It was hard fought in the fall.

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We couldn't see anything which we really needed

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to see the football in order to win that game.

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But I'm just glad

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that we have representation from Stockton going to

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that third round, and I would like to wish them

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the best of luck. There are no sore losers.

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I just I'm glad we're in it.

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So thank you.
Councilmember Wright.

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Yes. So we were all informed this week of the impending

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retirement of our community services director, Susie Daley.

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I met Susie over 20 years ago when she was a librarian

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for the city, and she would do story time.

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And if you haven't had a chance to hear

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Susie tell a story you are missing

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one of the great life experiences.

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She is one of the best storytellers in in

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our country, I believe

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so. My kids became avid readers in part

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because of how Susie made them love reading.

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So and I touched base with her off and on through my work

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with the school district over the years.
And then in 2011 we were both part of the founding.

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The committee that founded Read to me Stockton,
which is a book giveaway program here in Stockton.

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By the way, if you don't know read

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me, Stockton is now available in all Stockton zip codes.

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There are no income requirements.
Just go to read to me.

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Stockton dot org,
sign up, get free books until you're five years old.

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So whatever we can do to share that far and wide,

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we need to do because in decreasing literacy

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in our community, it's something that Susie

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devoted her entire life to and something that I devoted

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a significant portion of my life to. So

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and then, you know,
I was more than pleased to see her

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become the director of Library Services

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and then subsequently the director of Community Services.

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So it is going to be a big loss for our city.

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We need to probably hire two people to replace her.

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I know that's not going to happen.
So let's do a full vetting process and get someone is

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as good as possible. Goodbye, Susie.

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You really deserve this, and I'll miss you deeply.

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Councilmember accountable.

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Thank you.
There's just a few people in the community

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that I want to thank, and we always talk about passion

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and I do because I hope I have it towards our city.

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But Jill Fazio, Antonini

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is always an advocate for animals in our community.

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And so last week, you know, the the animal shelter

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is at capacity.
So for every dog or cat that comes in and some of them

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either need to be adopted or fostered or euthanized. So

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Jill wrote
me in to be a foster and before I know it,

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my daughter who had moved in with us adopted the dog.

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So now I have a dog thanks to Jill.

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But it's her it's her passion that is just absolutely amazing.

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You think that every dog
that she touched belonged to her because the love

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and it doesn't matter
you know,
this one

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came from a homeless encampment and they couldn't feed the dog,

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so they voluntarily gave the dog out.

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But just how hard she tries and the people

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that she uses and the resources in the community

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are absolutely amazing.
So I want to thank her

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for being such a huge asset to our community.

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The other thing was Veterans Day, Linda

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Vasquez did a great job of putting on the event

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at the Bob Hope.

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It was just great.

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We were all there

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and she does a great job in it.

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And it celebrates the folks that have dedicated their lives

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or part of their lives to our country.

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So I just wanted to
do a huge shout out because it's always a great event and.

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We did a great. Speech.
The bagpipes. So yes.

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And our leader here did a fabulous

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speech there, which I appreciate from the heart.

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And the bagpipes come from Sacramento.

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They come all the way down here
to play two songs, which is pretty touching as it's

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they're always on point and they had young kids

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that are part of the troop
or I don't know what you call them,

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but so
I just want to thank

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all the veterans that have served our country.

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I appreciate it. Obviously.
Thank you, Mr.

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Mayor, for your service.
And so I just want to thank everybody

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that served our country so with that, I'd like to close

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in memory of every veteran and current service members

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that are serving our country.

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Absolutely.
Or to say this,

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we not only have the greatest city in California,

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we have the greatest city in the nation.

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We're moving forward.
Great things are in store.

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Great things are to come.
So without further ado,

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do we have a motion to adjourn

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Darren?
All right.

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The where
and he closed.

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OK, we are adjourned.